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Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by skinkestek »

tehjoker wrote: post #374
rayiner wrote: post #340

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What Fox News was since Ailes took over, CNN and MSNBC have become. That's something to be really worried about. For a long time, I read the NYT and watched CNN. I never felt the need to check in and see what Fox was saying until the last 2-3 years. Now I do, because I don't trust that I'm getting the whole story.

Don't worry. When it comes to (especially) foreign policy, none of the media have been doing anything but state propaganda since the Remember the Maine incident. If you think blue TV is lying and check red TV you're missing the case where both blue and red agree it's good to lie to people. These cases where they agree revolve around suppressing opposition to corporate rule and around the nature of military alliances…

I don't think rayiner says he's only watching fox now, rather he's checking that as well.

Here's my take: When you look from different angles it gets harder to hide things. Fox News wants to hide some things, CNN wants to hide others. Looking at it from both angles you get to see some of the stuff each tries to hide and maybe you can make a reasonable guess on what both tries to hide.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by zimpenfish »

skinkestek wrote: post #431
Consultant32452 wrote: post #404

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>Look at America and their second amendment In America the right to an abortion is more respected under our legal system than the right to a gun despite what is written in the Constitution. The law is downstream of culture, and that document only says what 5 Justices say it says.

I don't disagree with the first part. I think you are right but don't talk more about it: it brings up the ugliest discussions at this place. For the second part they seem to be lucky to get a good judge now that will not let her own ideas interfere much with her job and instead interpret the constitution as it was written.

> interpret the constitution as it was written

Does this mean she'll be ruling that owning people is ok, removing the vote from women, and striking down the 2nd Amendment?

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by Kephael »

barumi wrote: post #430
chrisco255 wrote: post #425

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It's Hunters laptop. Hunter is a crack head and he was dumb enough to drop a laptop off for repair and never come back to pick it up. There is a signed receipt by Hunter. The email dates match up with secret service flight records. Hunter peddles access to his father for millions of dollars. Joe got a piece of the action.

> It's Hunters laptop. Hunter is a crack head (...) Ok you already made it quite clear that you don't care about the issue being discussed, and your focus is only on smearing by proxy an election candidate that you feel strongly against. I have no dog in the race, as I am not an US citizen nor do I live in the US. However, it's very disheartening to see a country, which a couple of decades ago was seen as the shining…

If this is "democracy" I don't see a point to it. I haven't been able to vote on any civilizational matters under "democracy" anyways. This is like the CCP but instead of CCP restrictions it is DNC restrictions.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by shlant »

chrisco255 wrote: post #425
barumi wrote: post #418

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> According to the FBI[0] and the DNI[1], there is no evidence indicating that Hunter Biden's laptop is misinformation. You're just saying that a misinformation campaign aiming at manipulating the US elections quite possibly according to the whims of a totalitarian regime that aims at undermining the US from the top might not have resorted to use totally false and made-up information.

It's Hunters laptop. Hunter is a crack head and he was dumb enough to drop a laptop off for repair and never come back to pick it up. There is a signed receipt by Hunter. The email dates match up with secret service flight records. Hunter peddles access to his father for millions of dollars. Joe got a piece of the action.

this comment make for a good example of why it is very difficult these days to have a reasonable discussion based in reality: many people have no interest in the truth and just want to see their side "win".

This also results in something related to what the article talks about: any reasonable criticism that goes against mainstream thought (or against mainstream news in general) will immediately be coopted and used as ammo by those mentioned in my first point who will take it and twist it into absurd, conspiracy-level or hate-fueled perspectives thereby minimizing the legitimacy of original criticism in the eyes of the public.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by zimpenfish »

chrisco255 wrote: post #440
barumi wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's Hunters laptop. Hunter is a crack head (...) Ok you already made it quite clear that you don't care about the issue being discussed, and your focus is only on smearing by proxy an election candidate that you feel strongly against. I have no dog in the race, as I am not an US citizen nor do I live in the US. However, it's very disheartening to see a country, which a couple of decades ago was seen as the shining…

Here's Politico's Quint Forgey quoting the Director of National Intelligence that the laptop (source of the emails) is in the FBI's possession and that it is authentically Hunter's: https://twitter.com/QuintForgey/status/1318166732419235841 Here's Fox saying the same thing, quoting a Federal Law Enforcement Official: https://twitter.com/SeanLangille?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcam ... Here's a signed MacBook Repair quote…

Worth noting that DNI Ratcliffe is the most unqualified DNI to be appointed (and only managed to get appointed on his second try by a minority), is a Trump loyalist, lied in his bio (disqualifying, I'd say) and appears to follow QAnon (but that could be for work purposes.)

The zerohedge URL is truncated and consequently doesn't work.

> And here's the NYPost article itself, excerpts included:

Show us the DKIM headers and let us verify the authenticity, then we'll talk about the content of the emails.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by shlant »

Kephael wrote: post #443
barumi wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's Hunters laptop. Hunter is a crack head (...) Ok you already made it quite clear that you don't care about the issue being discussed, and your focus is only on smearing by proxy an election candidate that you feel strongly against. I have no dog in the race, as I am not an US citizen nor do I live in the US. However, it's very disheartening to see a country, which a couple of decades ago was seen as the shining…

If this is "democracy" I don't see a point to it. I haven't been able to vote on any civilizational matters under "democracy" anyways. This is like the CCP but instead of CCP restrictions it is DNC restrictions.

I suggest you refrain from making such hyperbolized false equivalencies if you want people to seriously consider your perspective. People can empathize with your frustrations around the seeming lack of agency available to individuals in some democratic countries (in the US especially) without you comparing it to some authoritarian country.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by Consultant32452 »

zimpenfish wrote: post #442
skinkestek wrote: post #431

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't disagree with the first part. I think you are right but don't talk more about it: it brings up the ugliest discussions at this place. For the second part they seem to be lucky to get a good judge now that will not let her own ideas interfere much with her job and instead interpret the constitution as it was written.

> interpret the constitution as it was written Does this mean she'll be ruling that owning people is ok, removing the vote from women, and striking down the 2nd Amendment?

The constitution as it was written allows for amendments. The 13th and 19th Amendments outlawed slavery and gave women the right to vote, respectively.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Post by dang »

mrfusion wrote: post #191

> Both the government and private companies can censor stuff. But private companies are a little bit scarier. They have no constitution to answer to. They’re not elected. They have no constituents or voters. All of the protections we’ve built up to protect against government tyranny don’t exist for corporate tyranny. - Aaron Swartz

No one seems to have pointed it out, so I'll mention that Aaron was clearly paraphrasing Noam Chomsky there. The point about government being partially limited by constitutions and elections while private companies are not is one that Chomsky has been repeating for decades, and the phrase "corporate tyranny" is very much Chomsky's. This is in keeping with his left-libertarian view that workplaces should operate democratically.

It's not that Aaron was plagiarizing—the quote is from a documentary interview (https://www.reddit.com/r/aaronswartz/comments/dpo2ot/both_th...). In that context it's not common to make attributions and the editors would probably have cut it out in any case.

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