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Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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It would seem the commenters on this site are mostly Americans who don’t know that their two-party system only represents two flavors of pro-capitalist neoliberalism. But left and right political spectrum and the corresponding terms have meaning outside of the limited political window of centre-right US mainstream discussion.

They don't have meaning in terms of "liberal media" vs "left media" though, at least how the poster you replied to was using the term. It doesn't do any good to introduce jargon to people who are unfamiliar with it without defining your terms.

There is absolutely a distinction between liberal media (the NY Times, MSNBC, etc) and left media (Jacobin, Democracy Now!, Current Affairs, etc) and this distinction is made by Taibbi. Your ignorance on the subject is not shared by everyone.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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The Burisma story have been repeatedly found to be false. Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrat... Trump's conspiracy theories thrive in Ukraine, where a young democracy battles corruption and distrust. We talked with two dozen leaders and investigators in Ukraine. They all agree the claims against Joe and Hunter Biden are baseless. Yet they pe…

Most of what you wrote is irrelevant. If the basic facts of the story are wrong, like the laptop or emails are not genuine, why don’t the Biden’s deny it?

Some pretty genuine looking video floating around from it.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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The left is obsessed with suppressing anything that’s “dangerous” cause they think the lowly under-class can’t be trusted to review information and form opinions. If they had less authoritarian instincts, they’d realize that prohibitions generally spectacularly fail. I suspect any of the things they wanted to ban just got attention they never would have otherwise due to the Streisand effect.

The left did not suppress this story, liberal media did. You’re responding to a post criticizing this suppression written by a leftist.

Is there an issue with saying left-libertarian? Cause it's hard for me to believe that all these tech/media/etc employees aren't left, if it's reasonable to describe them as "progressive."

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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LOL this post got suppressed ( flagged ) I think the post definitely has some merit on the discussion of free speech on the modern platforms that have become the new town square.

Even my post trying to discuss suppression of suppression articles, just got suppressed!

How suppressing :(

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24889835

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

#76
Simply stop taking twitter seriously. If there's something posted which interests you, read it. If not, ignore it. Whatever emotion it causes in you, just walk around the block and ignore it.

Just don't give a s..t, and twitter will get back to normal in the long run.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Well there’s other evidence of that! And the trouble here is the evidence from the story is not verified (the FBI has not confirmed its HB’s laptop, has it? The screenshots of the Russian blackberry seem... dubious...). And that’s the sort of thing that most news organizations would gate reporting on. I do agree it’s a bit strange for Twitter to step in and try to apply editorial standards where NYP didn’t when they…

> And that’s the sort of thing that most news organizations would gate reporting on. I don't think that's true. The Steele Dossier ("Trump pays Russian Hookers in Moscow to pee on him") wasn't treated special in any way, and it was much more questionable at the time than this story (where the unclear part is what they got for their bribes, not whether they payed his son for access to the VP). Of course, one argument…

You’re making my point aren’t you? You think the NYP story is as reputable as the dossier ?

All the same, I don’t know of any newspapers which published stories treating the dossier as a source. As an object of the story, IE this thing exists, yes. As corroboration: please share if you have any.

Actually I think what happened is Rudy etc got a little too desperate and excited and blundered tactically: surfacing the contents of the hard drive as continual leaks, like the DNC emails, would’ve allowed for a similar dynamic to 2016. Wouldn’t have mattered politically if the contents were real or not.

By reaching and trying to drop the story as “real news,” the dubiousness of the source material got thrust directly into the spotlight. Blaming twitter, liberals, or whoever, for their poor smear tactics is just a coping mechanism at this point if you ask me.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

#78

Simply stop taking twitter seriously. If there's something posted which interests you, read it. If not, ignore it. Whatever emotion it causes in you, just walk around the block and ignore it. Just don't give a s..t, and twitter will get back to normal in the long run.

So you argue elsewhere this article was worthy of suppression, and yet here you are discussing it? Hypocritical.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

#79

Simply stop taking twitter seriously. If there's something posted which interests you, read it. If not, ignore it. Whatever emotion it causes in you, just walk around the block and ignore it. Just don't give a s..t, and twitter will get back to normal in the long run.

So you argue elsewhere this article was worthy of suppression, and yet here you are discussing it? Hypocritical.

Just trying to give insight into the reasoning. If this is considered hypocritical by you, what would not be?

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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They don't have meaning in terms of "liberal media" vs "left media" though, at least how the poster you replied to was using the term. It doesn't do any good to introduce jargon to people who are unfamiliar with it without defining your terms.

There is absolutely a distinction between liberal media (the NY Times, MSNBC, etc) and left media (Jacobin, Democracy Now!, Current Affairs, etc) and this distinction is made by Taibbi. Your ignorance on the subject is not shared by everyone.

NYT and MSNBC are left of center in the USA. As is Twitter, which is what's relevant here. Which is what makes them left-wing media.
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