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Post by coliveira »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #205
coliveira wrote: post #183

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Why you assume that non-capitalism is the same as communism? Capitalist ideology and communism are extremes, in my opinion there is a healthy balance between them.

I agree with this viewpoint. A more non-statist communism (re: unions and local area orgs that manage 90% of all needs), worker coops, less power for D.C. more for states and local municipalities. healthcare being ran by a union of worker coops, that all pay taxes into the union of unions to manage healthcare for all members (workers and consumers who are members of the union)... Don't want to be part of the union th…

Exactly. Extremes of capitalism and communism are bound to lead to conflict and destruction because there is no way to convince everyone of something. But a well balanced society should be able to combine market based solutions with community based solutions where it makes sense.

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Post by not_kurt_godel »

wizzwizz4 wrote: post #196
s3graham wrote: post #173

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I feel like it's indeed very fault tolerant, but we're smashing nodes pretty quickly and all over the place.

It's not fault-tolerant in any way we'd like. It's like a computer that'll just keep on trucking; even if it's overwritten all its memory with garbage, it'll still be running some code.

> it'll still be running some code.

This a surprisingly and pleasingly apt analogy given that DNA/RNA are indeed code being 'run' by life.

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Post by dredmorbius »

mentalpiracy wrote: post #62
anm89 wrote: post #53

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People are living, shitting, and dying en masse on the streets of LA who need food and basic sanitation but you really can't even imagine a non malicious interpretation of someone saying paying for teams of bubble suited wasp chasers seems like potentially a misallocation of resources? Or do you just generally like to bully anyone who challenges any form of government spending by attacking strawmen?

Do you believe that humanity can only allocate resources to one problem at a time?

Resources are ultimately rivalrous in allocation, and spent in one pursuit aren't available to another. That's the classic guns-and-butter metaphor.

Though generally I'd argue both environmental and social concerns are underallocated relative to others.

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Post by yawz »

xwdv wrote: post #115
yawz wrote: post #101

I’m a beekeeper and every passing year it becomes harder to keep my colonies alive. I’m really glad that we’re taking this threat seriously, because we don’t need one more problem on our list of things that kill our bees. While I’m at it, please allow me to remind everyone that there are thousands of solitary bee species in the world. They are the ones that go extinct or in real danger compared to our honey bees. The…

What will happen when bees go extinct? Edit: I don’t understand the vicious pointless downvotes over this question.

I'm pretty sure honey bees are relatively safe as long as there are beekeepers. As I noted above, there are thousands of solitary and/or wild bee species that are in real danger. They pollinate an important part of the plants. Their loss would probably trigger chain reactions that we should avoid.

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Post by yawz »

whymauri wrote: post #134
sosborn wrote: post #130

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Bees aren't the only pollinators out there. Yes, they are super important, but others exist. https://www.zmescience.com/ecology/animals-ecology/incredibl...

Aren't the others also at risk?

That's a good point. We are not being bad to honey bees or bees alone. We are killing everything.

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Post by mod »

marmaduke wrote: post #207
yawz wrote: post #160

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If you have access to gardens, you can plant bee-friendly flowering plants according to your region's climate. You can learn about the wild bees in your region and understand what natural resources they thrive on. Some of them are so specialized that they can easily be threatened by the loss of habitat. Some of the bee "houses" can become great activities for children. For example kids can build Mason Bee houses and…

> plant bee-friendly flowering plants according to your region's climate. I have a bit of garden but in the middle of a residential district of a city. Do I have any chance to attract bees or is > starting your own hive the only way?

They'll come.

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Post by chmod775 »

masklinn wrote: post #178
honkycat wrote: post #156

I always find the anti-environmentalist position that pops up on HN interesting. For a technical audience, they are amazingly unaware of "Systems Thinking". Saying "MEH, there are other pollinators" is lazy thinking. Our ecosystem is a vast web of interconnections. You cannot predict how one HUGELY important species being destroyed will affect the rest of our ecosystem. Furthermore: People use honey bees for honey (…

> I always find the anti-environmentalist position that pops up on HN interesting. For a technical audience, they are amazingly unaware of "Systems Thinking". Saying "MEH, there are other pollinators" is lazy thinking. Our ecosystem is a vast web of interconnections. You cannot predict how one HUGELY important species being destroyed will affect the rest of our ecosystem. FWIW honeybees are not part of the native US…

>FWIW honeybees are not part of the native US ecosystem

Well, neither are most of the crops the Europeans started growing in America. They brought everything from apple species to wheat.

Not all of these are self-pollinating, so they had to bring bees too.

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Post by hellotomyrars »

reader_mode wrote: post #203
hellotomyrars wrote: post #189

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Extinction events don't happen that often. Meanwhile the massive changes we've made to our environment (in a relatively small time frame) are having a serious impact on our ability to survive on this planet. We don't need to "reduce our reliance on nature". We're always going to be subject to the influences of what environment we live inside of. Whether it be on planet-scale or otherwise. We don't exist in a vacuum.

> We're always going to be subject to the influences of what environment we live inside of. Houses, heating, cooling make us resilient to outside temperature and weather changes, advanced construction makes us resilient to earthquakes, etc. etc. There are people working on plans to colonise Mars - while that might not be viable in the short term - we are talking about making an environment without an atmosphere suita…

None of those things protect you from an extinction event.

I’m not sure why you think that plant pollination needs a new solution in the first place. We’ve been working with bees for centuries and we’ve used them as a tool. Bees are themselves an optimal method for pollination created though thousands of years of natural progress.

Colonizing Mars continues to be a pipe dream and even if/when people start living there it’s going to be full of compromises and discomfort. And we’ll still have billions of people stuck on earth.

Technology isn’t the solution to all of life’s problems.

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Post by brink »

ceejayoz wrote: post #202
brink wrote: post #152

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It's an example of positive daily human interaction. Keeping minimum distance and hiding the most expressive part of the body removes a lot of that from daily life, and people do suffer from it. The world is significantly colder this year. I can't be the only one that feels it.

Why can't "oh, you're wearing a mask, to protect me!" be a "positive daily human interaction"? Perhaps we're just mis-framing things?

Would you feel good about someone smiling at you they were forced by law to smile?

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Post by snuxoll »

marmaduke wrote: post #207
yawz wrote: post #160

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If you have access to gardens, you can plant bee-friendly flowering plants according to your region's climate. You can learn about the wild bees in your region and understand what natural resources they thrive on. Some of them are so specialized that they can easily be threatened by the loss of habitat. Some of the bee "houses" can become great activities for children. For example kids can build Mason Bee houses and…

> plant bee-friendly flowering plants according to your region's climate. I have a bit of garden but in the middle of a residential district of a city. Do I have any chance to attract bees or is > starting your own hive the only way?

I have a good amount of bee-friendly flowers that are visited daily in the spring and summer by our local bee populations, it is very much “build it and they will come”.

If I had a bigger yard I would host a couple hives of my own, I love just sitting out in the flowers in the warmer weather and watching them forage.

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