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Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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And for the comments of people saying it's a non-story, you need to check your beliefs and look at the facts.

This is pay for play, and corruption at it's finest. After attacking Trump for 4 years for falsehoods, you shy away from addressing issues with the opposing candidate?

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

And? I don’t think the NYP story was supposed to be a bombshell that Hunter Biden got jobs because his last name was Biden. That may be unfair but that particular point is not even the subject of the New York Post story. Companies hire people in useless positions all the time you know.

> Companies hire people in useless positions all the time you know. Yeah, they're called princelings, it's very common in China. If you want to do business, you hire the child of a high-ranking party member, pay them large sums of money for zero work and then you get all the permits you need.

Mmhmm. I said it’s unfair. Again I don’t see how reiterating that Hunter Biden probably got some jobs because of his name proves the more salacious allegations that were the center of the story...

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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I think there's a fundamental difference of opinion about the notion of fairness. Some people think that fairness is defined as something that affects everyone equally in some clean-slate world, while others think of fairness as equalizing the effect of something in an already unfair situation in the world as it is. To the first camp it seems that "suppressing" a particular story on a particular platform is unfair regardless of circumstances because it is not done to other stories; others think that if that particular story has a de facto unfair advantage of being amplified by an army of bots on that particular platform, then "suppressing" it is the fair thing to do. The question is, is it always unfair to tip the scales or does fairness depend on whether or not the scales are already tipped? Should the fairness of laws, rules and regulation be judged with or without consideration to existing circumstances?

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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The left is obsessed with suppressing anything that’s “dangerous” cause they think the lowly under-class can’t be trusted to review information and form opinions. If they had less authoritarian instincts, they’d realize that prohibitions generally spectacularly fail. I suspect any of the things they wanted to ban just got attention they never would have otherwise due to the Streisand effect.

The left did not suppress this story, liberal media did. You’re responding to a post criticizing this suppression written by a leftist.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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post #7

At what point do we look to capitalism as a driving factor for misinformation spreading? Media outlets are incentivized to bring in clicks/shares/likes. They're not incentivized to research stories sufficiently, so...a shaky lead from a sketchy source but a super compelling headline? Of course that gets published. Taking this as some anti-conservative war from the tech industry is super misleading.

> "Media outlets are incentivized to bring in clicks/shares/likes."

Even an individual who posts a blog post wants clicks/shares/likes, even if there's no money involved, to validate their work in putting out a post and to bolster their self-esteem. That highlights why capitalism is not itself the issue; any type of news media would just respond to what its customers want. And what the public wants is infotainment, not well-researched stories.

The real problem is people and that's a problem that can't be solved.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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post #5

I agree, twitter suppression made the story bigger. The NYPost has issued much fewer retractions than NYT and CNN, yet, Twitter does not attack those institutions. Ironic, considering the founder of the NYPost and his opinions on market economies.

That NYPost has issued fewer retractions just means that they lack the integrity to take responsibility for its misinformation.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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The left is obsessed with suppressing anything that’s “dangerous” cause they think the lowly under-class can’t be trusted to review information and form opinions. If they had less authoritarian instincts, they’d realize that prohibitions generally spectacularly fail. I suspect any of the things they wanted to ban just got attention they never would have otherwise due to the Streisand effect.

The left did not suppress this story, liberal media did. You’re responding to a post criticizing this suppression written by a leftist.

In the USA liberal and left are closely related - it basically means votes Democrat.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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post #28

It is the people who want suppression of information. Twitter and FB are responding to user demand. This post has been flagged. People don’t want to see or hear about this. HN may, or may not, remove it. Either way, there are HN users who want this removed.

That's just some users though, and I'm 99% sure they don't want others to see it, because they believe knowing about it might damage their political side. I'm sure they have good intentions and believe that the end justifies the means and if suppression of truth is required to let the good guys win, then so be it. Of course, everybody generally thinks they are the good guys, and once you're going down the road of "ev…

It’s not the truth though as far as we can tell.

Re: Suppression is a bigger scandal than the actual story

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could someone just explain in simple words why everyone keeps calling this story false or debunked or whatever? Everyone keeps downvoting me and I don't know why. It seems like to debunk this story you'd have to have a journalist do some journalism and figure out why all these companies were giving hunter biden money.

The Burisma story have been repeatedly found to be false. Trump Revives False Narrative on Biden and Ukraine https://www.factcheck.org/2020/10/trump-revives-false-narrat... Trump's conspiracy theories thrive in Ukraine, where a young democracy battles corruption and distrust. We talked with two dozen leaders and investigators in Ukraine. They all agree the claims against Joe and Hunter Biden are baseless. Yet they pe…

Most of what you wrote is irrelevant.

If the basic facts of the story are wrong, like the laptop or emails are not genuine, why don’t the Biden’s deny it?

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