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Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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1994: We'll need airtight space suits for an Ebola outbreak. 2020: Surgical masks are a bit much to expect people to wear during a pandemic, Ebola has been circulating in Congo since 2014, and we'll need airtight space suits for a murder hornet outbreak. Truly, the 90s were a simpler time.

These suits do not seen airtight at all, quite the opposite in fact.

I think they are just sting-proof suits.

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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‘All the resources’ make you nauseous? Seems like a weird reaction. Washington State department of agriculture’s budget is public information; they spend about a quarter of a billion dollars a year on all their programs. I can’t imagine this particular operation is making much of a dent in that overall spend. According to the captions of those photographs, they have entomologists and pest control specialists on staff…

People are living, shitting, and dying en masse on the streets of LA who need food and basic sanitation but you really can't even imagine a non malicious interpretation of someone saying paying for teams of bubble suited wasp chasers seems like potentially a misallocation of resources? Or do you just generally like to bully anyone who challenges any form of government spending by attacking strawmen?

Do you believe that humanity can only allocate resources to one problem at a time?

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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So they really think the infestation is small enough that it's feasible to find and destroy all the nests by hand?

I think they might be able to.. The asian longhorn beetle seems to be in check in the US (though another pest, the emerald ash borer they've given up on controlling).

But those are species that don't have centralized nests.. This might be easier if you can trap them and trace them back to their homes..

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘All the resources’ make you nauseous? Seems like a weird reaction. Washington State department of agriculture’s budget is public information; they spend about a quarter of a billion dollars a year on all their programs. I can’t imagine this particular operation is making much of a dent in that overall spend. According to the captions of those photographs, they have entomologists and pest control specialists on staff…

People are living, shitting, and dying en masse on the streets of LA who need food and basic sanitation but you really can't even imagine a non malicious interpretation of someone saying paying for teams of bubble suited wasp chasers seems like potentially a misallocation of resources? Or do you just generally like to bully anyone who challenges any form of government spending by attacking strawmen?

Not GP, but this seems like being upset by the environmental damage resulting from your city fire department driving diesel firetrucks in relative and absolute scale and scope.

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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They're still a problem: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4ldpyIE5t4 Interestingly, that video suggests that some beekeepers actually prefer the aggressive, "africanized", bees as they can be more productive than less aggressive bees in the right situation. But they're a public health hazard, so most beekeepers choose to euthanize more aggressive hives to deliberately breed calmer, safer, bees. This video also sugges…

> most beekeepers choose to euthanize more aggressive hives to deliberately breed calmer, safer, bees. I wander why they don’t just requeen?

IIUC workers (or at least worker larvae) can become queens under the right conditions, so it's more likely for the undesirable genes to be removed if the entire hive is euthanized.

Also, in the case of that video, IIRC having the still aggressive workers in the locations available to that beekeeper wouldn't be desirable, even if later generations were calmer.

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Now how much money we spend eating out when we could be saving by cooking large meals and eating leftovers, that makes me nauseous.

If you're cooking anything with meat or imported produce, you're still damaging the environment, regardless of where it's cooked. Also your leftovers need to be put into something(often plastic) and stored in a refrigerated or frozen environment(electric/carbon costs), then reheated(electric/carbon cost). If you get tired of eating the same thing after 3 days and the rest rots away in your fridge, you've just created…

You make some thought provoking points, but there are a lot of "ifs" there. So, even a chance that some savings might be achieved by cooking staple foods at home once in a while seems worth considering.

Most people end up leaving a lot on the table when eating out, and 100% of that food ends up in the trash / wasted.

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘All the resources’ make you nauseous? Seems like a weird reaction. Washington State department of agriculture’s budget is public information; they spend about a quarter of a billion dollars a year on all their programs. I can’t imagine this particular operation is making much of a dent in that overall spend. According to the captions of those photographs, they have entomologists and pest control specialists on staff…

People are living, shitting, and dying en masse on the streets of LA who need food and basic sanitation but you really can't even imagine a non malicious interpretation of someone saying paying for teams of bubble suited wasp chasers seems like potentially a misallocation of resources? Or do you just generally like to bully anyone who challenges any form of government spending by attacking strawmen?

I am all ears for how we could solve homelessness in LA by defunding the Washington State Department of Agriculture’s entomology program.

Maybe you’re right, though - the progressive militarization of state pest control departments during the global war on terror is probably one of the principal ways in which inequality is perpetuated in this country.

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

‘All the resources’ make you nauseous? Seems like a weird reaction. Washington State department of agriculture’s budget is public information; they spend about a quarter of a billion dollars a year on all their programs. I can’t imagine this particular operation is making much of a dent in that overall spend. According to the captions of those photographs, they have entomologists and pest control specialists on staff…

People are living, shitting, and dying en masse on the streets of LA who need food and basic sanitation but you really can't even imagine a non malicious interpretation of someone saying paying for teams of bubble suited wasp chasers seems like potentially a misallocation of resources? Or do you just generally like to bully anyone who challenges any form of government spending by attacking strawmen?

You... You do realize they're trying to rid these wasps because they're an existential threat to our bee population, right? You realize that losing our bees would cost farmers billions of collective dollars and raise the price of food for everyone, right?

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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I've never had to deal with a murder hornet infestation, but I can approve of their 'vacuum' method for clearing yellowjacket nests in high-traffic areas. Partially fill a shop vac with soapy water, stick the nozzle as close to the nest entrance as possible, then turn on the vacuum and hear the wasps get sucked into the machine as they try to enter or exit the nest. It takes a few hours, and potentially a couple of s…

Do you realize you can kill someone with this comment, that beekeeper suit is optional?

Re: Washington crews destroy first U.S. “murder hornet” nest

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Murder hornets are a real threat to honey bee hives. A handful of hornets can take out a hive of thousands.

What's interesting is the way that honey bees defend against them. A bunch of bees surround each hornet, then they intensify the flapping of their wings, which then generates enough heat to kill the hornet. In other words, the hornets are cooked alive.

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