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The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by corty »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #5

Yes, I agree. X11 is a historic artifact that is supposed to be honored in the museum now. The C/S architecture of X11 hits the spot when terminals and thin client are the norm, that means 20-30 years ago, but today, we all have dedicated graphics display devices (GPU, monitors) even in our pocket smartphone, and the way X11 works is holding Linux desktop scene back. But without X11 there you can't show how much impr…

Where is that supposed Wayland progress after a decade? Input is broken and inconsistent, screenshots don't work, remoting is broken, every WM has to be rewritten or abandoned, trivialities like c&p handling are not yet there. Wayland is still in the early phase of catching up to X11, for any progress it will take another decade or maybe even a Wayland replacement. We should face it, Wayland is a dead end.

Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by nsajko »

corty wrote: post #11
stevefan1999 wrote: post #5

Yes, I agree. X11 is a historic artifact that is supposed to be honored in the museum now. The C/S architecture of X11 hits the spot when terminals and thin client are the norm, that means 20-30 years ago, but today, we all have dedicated graphics display devices (GPU, monitors) even in our pocket smartphone, and the way X11 works is holding Linux desktop scene back. But without X11 there you can't show how much impr…

Where is that supposed Wayland progress after a decade? Input is broken and inconsistent, screenshots don't work, remoting is broken, every WM has to be rewritten or abandoned, trivialities like c&p handling are not yet there. Wayland is still in the early phase of catching up to X11, for any progress it will take another decade or maybe even a Wayland replacement. We should face it, Wayland is a dead end.

Yeah, but Wayland won't ever be able to "catch up to X11", because it's broken by design. (See my next comment.)

Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by flavor8 »

nlayers wrote: post #12

X.org works fine, Wayland seems to be another RedHat thing. I must admit I haven't tried it, but given NetworkManager, systemd and other pearls from RedHat I'm not optimistic.

What's your problem with NetworkManager? It's generally good, and certainly much better than what came before.

Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by lloydatkinson »

corty wrote: post #11
stevefan1999 wrote: post #5

Yes, I agree. X11 is a historic artifact that is supposed to be honored in the museum now. The C/S architecture of X11 hits the spot when terminals and thin client are the norm, that means 20-30 years ago, but today, we all have dedicated graphics display devices (GPU, monitors) even in our pocket smartphone, and the way X11 works is holding Linux desktop scene back. But without X11 there you can't show how much impr…

Where is that supposed Wayland progress after a decade? Input is broken and inconsistent, screenshots don't work, remoting is broken, every WM has to be rewritten or abandoned, trivialities like c&p handling are not yet there. Wayland is still in the early phase of catching up to X11, for any progress it will take another decade or maybe even a Wayland replacement. We should face it, Wayland is a dead end.

It’s this kind of endless stream of broken and incompatible technologies that makes me use Linux in server and embedded scenarios only. Every time I’ve had to use desktop Linux it’s just been one problem after another.

Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by kbumsik »

LockAndLol wrote: post #3
baybal2 wrote: post #2

Better to say both X11, and Wayland are now two pieces of abandonware.

> This should hardly be surprising but a prominent Intel open-source developer has conceded that the X.Org Server is pretty much "abandonware" with Wayland being the future. Why do you say Wayland is abandonware? The last activity in the repo is from a week ago https://gitlab.freedesktop.org/wayland

> The last activity in the repo is from a week ago

Actually most of repos you linked have the last activity of months ago. It's pretty worrying though.

Re: The X.Org Server Is Abandonware?

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Post by aldanor »

stevefan1999 wrote: post #5

Yes, I agree. X11 is a historic artifact that is supposed to be honored in the museum now. The C/S architecture of X11 hits the spot when terminals and thin client are the norm, that means 20-30 years ago, but today, we all have dedicated graphics display devices (GPU, monitors) even in our pocket smartphone, and the way X11 works is holding Linux desktop scene back. But without X11 there you can't show how much impr…

What about e.g., being able to run guis like pycharm/clion that run on Linux in corporate environments where you only have direct access to a windows box?
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