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Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by nix23 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #166
nix23 wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes and? I just wrote that removing DRM is not illegal here, but distributing the de-drm material is. And tools to remove drm is also not illegal.

If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.

>The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses.

And download a Youtube Video is legal.

Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's

EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that the code to decrypt is illegal (you know "hackertools" are illegal in germany too) but the potential intention of the tool.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by wizzwizz4 »

tdrgabi wrote: post #151
thristian wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tests are testing that youtube-dl can successfully see through three specific varieties of obfuscation as used by those videos. Testing open videos would not work, since Google doesn't obfuscate those in the same way. Uploading special videos with the right configuration wouldn't work, those particular obfuscation methods are only available to specific YouTube partners, not to the youtube-dl authors.

Isn't that evidence for the case though? youtube-dl has code to see through obfuscation methods which are only available to specific YouTube partners. If you're a tool for downloading open, not copyrighted videos, why do you need that?

youtube-dl is not, strictly speaking, a downloading tool. It's an access tool. You want to access YouTube videos through an alternate client, as is your legal right in the European Union? youtube-dl is a useful library for the job.

You can use youtube-dl to download videos, but the intended use here is clearly for watching them. Just because syringe needles are tested on (and advertised for) human skin and are also tested with poisonous chemicals, that doesn't mean you should attack syringe needle manufacturers for making murder weapons.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by djeiasbsbo »

miguelmota wrote: post #147
rapnie wrote: post #132

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Yes, like https://forgefed.peers.community/ which is exactly that.

Probably a dumb question, but don't federated services eventually lead to centralization? for example SMTP is federated but most users are on gmail, IRC is decentralized but most users are on freenode server, etc. users tend to choose the services/instances with the most users, which is what makes github currently very valuable.

That could very well be argued. However, I still have the ability to run my own Email servers and communicate with user who use gmail.

If gmail decided to ban a number of accounts due to something like a DMCA claim, I would be unaffected by that.

The same is not true on GitHub which is one Website. Every fork of this project on GitHub was affected by this claim...

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#174

Post by saddlerustle »

nix23 wrote: post #171
saddlerustle wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you read the link you will notice that just like the DMCA, distributing tools capable of removing DRM is illegal in some cases.

>The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that…

"Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case.

The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#175

Post by romanoderoma »

bitwize wrote: post #149
fabianhjr wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a DMCA notice; A DMCA notice requires the identification of claimed copyrighted content and this document does no such thing. The document claims that youtube-dl is illegal for being able to download video and audio from YouTube but not for hosting copyrighted material in the repo or binary distributions. The RIAA is claiming youtube-dl is "circumventing DRM".

It is. The DMCA makes circumventing "effective" protection measures illegal. "Effective" is a term defined in law and basically means any hoop you have to jump through to get to copyrighted material, no matter how flawed or trivially bypassed. The restrictions in place to allow YouTube videos to be only downloaded through YouTube count. Youtube-dl is absolutely illegal software.

> Youtube-dl is absolutely illegal software.

Not in Italy

What US law says is often irrelevant outside of the US of A

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#176

Post by nix23 »

saddlerustle wrote: post #174
nix23 wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>The ban on circumvention may not be enforced against those persons who undertake the circumvention exclusively for legally permitted uses. And download a Youtube Video is legal. Storing your DVD's in another format and rip your CD's EDIT: BTW in the take-down notice you can read that the tool promotes or is/can be used to download Justin Timberlake (and that would be illegal if you redistribute it) so it's not that…

"Exclusively" is the key word. Whether youtube-dl is designed to "exclusively" be used for legally permitted uses is a matter for a court to decide. The RIAA's claim listed several reasons why it believes this is not the case. The DMCA as written is a little more nuanced, but on whole the laws serve the same purpose.

>Exclusively

Not the tool is meant here but the User, and you know it.

It's legal to record radio, and record/download Youtube videos, if you don't redistribute it (outside Family and Friends

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

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Post by jojo14 »

chrismorgan wrote: post #78
MrStonedOne wrote: post #8

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if you have the dmca repo on your computer, you can checkout this PR via git fetch upstream pull/8142/head:pr-8142&&git checkout pr-8142 Should work even if they blackhole the pr.

There’s no need to create that pr-8142 branch, which will otherwise hang around indefinitely which is most commonly not what you want: git fetch upstream pull/8142/head git checkout FETCH_HEAD

Isn't it more like the following?:

  git clone https://github.com/github/dmca.git
  git fetch origin pull/8142/head
  git checkout FETCH_HEAD

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#178

Post by saddlerustle »

romanoderoma wrote: post #175
bitwize wrote: post #149

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is. The DMCA makes circumventing "effective" protection measures illegal. "Effective" is a term defined in law and basically means any hoop you have to jump through to get to copyrighted material, no matter how flawed or trivially bypassed. The restrictions in place to allow YouTube videos to be only downloaded through YouTube count. Youtube-dl is absolutely illegal software.

> Youtube-dl is absolutely illegal software. Not in Italy What US law says is often irrelevant outside of the US of A

No, the restrictions around circumventing an effective technological protection measures are implemented in Italian law too [1] and more broadly are required to be implemented in every EU member state as a result of EU Directive 2001/29/EC [2]

[1] https://www.wipo.int/edocs/lexdocs/laws/en/it/it211en.pdf

[2] https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=celex%3A...

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#179

Post by metters »

DavideNL wrote: post #145
xg15 wrote: post #135

It's a fun hack, but to those thinking about streisanding the source: The strength of ytdl and other downloaders isn't their source code, it's the extensive library of scrapers that are tailor-made for individual sites. The devs have to constantly maintain and update those to keep working when a site changes its design. So if the takedown manages to stop ongoing development on ytdl then even existing copies will beco…

Would it not be possible to move to some decentralized Github alternative?

There was a hackernnews article about a decentralised github (not yt-dl) yesterday: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24874994

Re: YouTube-dl is now part of GitHub/dmca.git

#180

Post by _0ffh »

kortilla wrote: post #129
d0mine wrote: post #115

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> That pirate bay and scihub are still around, that their authors are walking around freely Let's not equate these sites. scihub gives people what they are likely already paid for. Academic publishing business is a fraud. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PriwCi6SzLo (recent video on the topic that I liked)

> scihub gives people what they are likely already paid for No, as long as the researcher was not bound by the grant to publish in the open and published in a journal/conference with a copyright, you do not have the legal right to get it, even if taxpayers funded the research. It’s fucked that the law doesn’t stipulate open publications for taxpayer funded research, but that’s an issue with the law. Academic publishi…

You're countering what I perceive to be moral argument with a legal one, which would be a category error.
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