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Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by pjmlp »

saurik wrote: post #14
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They signed a contract willingly, no one forced them to. Also they are completely fine with the console stores.

And so then the question at hand is whether it was a legal contract due to constraints on what Apple is allowed to do as a market actor in their position.

Which as proven by other app stores, completely legal.

Epic will fall flat on its face and the dreams of having their own 30% lost.

But hey, they can always create their own Epic Machines.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by anoncake »

pjmlp wrote: post #9
teruakohatu wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Epic has no right to run anything on iOS except by Apple's permission. Epic should have every right to distribute apps and users every right to download them (outside the app store at no cost to Apple) . Unfortunately in our dystopian reality a couple of corporations get to decide who can run what.

They signed a contract willingly, no one forced them to. Also they are completely fine with the console stores.

If Epic fought against console stores, people would say they are completely fine with Apple's store.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by pjmlp »

anoncake wrote: post #22
pjmlp wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They signed a contract willingly, no one forced them to. Also they are completely fine with the console stores.

If Epic fought against console stores, people would say they are completely fine with Apple's store.

Epic is just playing stupid games for their bottom line and then there are all these hippies, the same ones that believed in junk like Google's "Do no evil", routing for Epic, without realising that they just want their Epic store, with their own exclusives.

It is going to be such a major fail, thankfully some lawyers will be happy.

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Post by anoncake »

pjmlp wrote: post #23
anoncake wrote: post #22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Epic fought against console stores, people would say they are completely fine with Apple's store.

Epic is just playing stupid games for their bottom line and then there are all these hippies, the same ones that believed in junk like Google's "Do no evil", routing for Epic, without realising that they just want their Epic store, with their own exclusives. It is going to be such a major fail, thankfully some lawyers will be happy.

I don't root for Epic, I root against Apple.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by pjmlp »

anoncake wrote: post #24
pjmlp wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Epic is just playing stupid games for their bottom line and then there are all these hippies, the same ones that believed in junk like Google's "Do no evil", routing for Epic, without realising that they just want their Epic store, with their own exclusives. It is going to be such a major fail, thankfully some lawyers will be happy.

I don't root for Epic, I root against Apple.

The 60's are long gone and PC was an accident of IBM's incompetency to keep it vertically integrated as other home micro platforms. Something that Android, tablet and laptop OEMs are in the process of fixing.

Keep hating Apple if it makes you happy.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by supergirl »

It's amazing that people will defend apple on this. apple and others should not have gotten away with locking down paid for devices. It's ultimately the fault of the consumer. They bought an expensive device but still accept to pay 30% to apple for every app they buy, forever. Yes, ultimately it's still the consumer that pays for this (companies will of course factor in the store prices before launching). not to mention the censoring power that apple and google now wield; they can close down any app with "hey, you didn't abide by the T&C that we wrote ourselves and keep amending".

also, consoles and phones are not the exactly same story. phones are ubiquitous now. everyone has a phone, not everyone has a PC and very few have consoles. it's one thing to get a cut of every transaction and another to get a cut of a few transactions. imagine your ISP is allowed to take a cut of every payment you make.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by pjmlp »

supergirl wrote: post #26

It's amazing that people will defend apple on this. apple and others should not have gotten away with locking down paid for devices. It's ultimately the fault of the consumer. They bought an expensive device but still accept to pay 30% to apple for every app they buy, forever. Yes, ultimately it's still the consumer that pays for this (companies will of course factor in the store prices before launching). not to ment…

Apple phones aren't the only ones available on the planet, and portable gaming devices can also make phone calls over Internet connections.

ISP were exactly allowed to do that, before Apple, most app stores were made available by mobile operators with rates all the way up to 80%.

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Post by pjmlp »

zxcmx wrote: post #7
zenincognito wrote: post #3

Going to fall on its head. Apple isnt asking for fruits of their labour but charging from device abuse, management of store and general device health.

Credit card companies charge ~ 3% to manage a far more complex and fraud-prone ecosystem. It's Apple's sandpit and they make the rules, but I think it's hard to rationally justify their take other than "because they can".

I guess the 80% previously charged by mobile operators specific stores was much better then, how quickly people forget about how things were.

Re: Epic says Apple ‘has no rights to the fruits of Epic’s labor’ in latest filing

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Post by anoncake »

pjmlp wrote: post #25
anoncake wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't root for Epic, I root against Apple.

The 60's are long gone and PC was an accident of IBM's incompetency to keep it vertically integrated as other home micro platforms. Something that Android, tablet and laptop OEMs are in the process of fixing. Keep hating Apple if it makes you happy.

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