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The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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These days, many computers only run authorized software, and trusted boot is fairly secure. They’re integrated hardware/software systems. This article is out of date, and a bit biased, to boot.

Biased in favor of empowering individuals, rather than making them serfs under corporate landlords? What's wrong with such a bias?

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not at all. Secure boot is opaque to most. Gigantic monolithic actors in the realm of hardware and software collude to keep the plebiscites from making anything too disruptive without them quickly running into an audit process that can be used to ensure that any virtue can be clean room redesigned by the monolith... Yeah. Seems pretty prescient to me.

Could you elaborate in plain English? Your comment makes no sense to me.

That is plain English. Using a dictionary to help yourself out with the more uncommon words is a better approach than asking people to restrict their vocabulary to suit you.

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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This is something Stallman[1] and others have talked about for a while now, with this article having been published in 2003[2]. [1] https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/can-you-trust.en.html [2] https://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

I remember in the 90s people all thought Stallman was crazy. And by people I mean developers, Linux users, people on usenet, etc. We all appreciated his contributions but at the end of the day just figured he was wearing a tin foil hat.

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you elaborate in plain English? Your comment makes no sense to me.

That is plain English. Using a dictionary to help yourself out with the more uncommon words is a better approach than asking people to restrict their vocabulary to suit you.

>Secure boot is opaque to most

Secure boot is a technical term that the poster might not be familiar with, but given we are on HN it might be assumed they can figure it out. Still, not really plain English.

>that can be used to ensure that any virtue can be clean room redesigned by the monolith...

is not plain English, clean room is piece of jargon that again, being on HN the poster might be familiar with but also not. And frankly saying that virtues can be clean room redesigned comes a little too close to the poetic to be considered plain as well. In fact the more I look at that the less sure I am that I can interpret it without the use of some small amount of psychedelics.

on edit: formatted

on edit 2: also I suppose the original poster meant plebeians, as plebiscites are things the plebeians vote in, not impossible to interpret, but it would make it more difficult.

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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> But in general, the poorer and younger you are, the more likely you are to be a tenant farmer in some feudal lord's computational lands. An analogy that will probably define the 21st century...

all it takes is endless zero pay toil living with doesn't just work not all easy open source. to make our own lands. heck yeah let's keep all picking the subsidized to near free consumer experience.

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is plain English. Using a dictionary to help yourself out with the more uncommon words is a better approach than asking people to restrict their vocabulary to suit you.

>Secure boot is opaque to most Secure boot is a technical term that the poster might not be familiar with, but given we are on HN it might be assumed they can figure it out. Still, not really plain English. >that can be used to ensure that any virtue can be clean room redesigned by the monolith... is not plain English, clean room is piece of jargon that again, being on HN the poster might be familiar with but also no…

Secure boot and clean room? I figured they were thrown by 'plebiscite'.. I don't somebody will have much luck understanding a conversation on a technical discussion site about the war on general computing without knowing concepts basic to the premise.

Re: The Coming Civil War over General Purpose Computing (2012)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Secure boot is opaque to most Secure boot is a technical term that the poster might not be familiar with, but given we are on HN it might be assumed they can figure it out. Still, not really plain English. >that can be used to ensure that any virtue can be clean room redesigned by the monolith... is not plain English, clean room is piece of jargon that again, being on HN the poster might be familiar with but also no…

Secure boot and clean room? I figured they were thrown by 'plebiscite'.. I don't somebody will have much luck understanding a conversation on a technical discussion site about the war on general computing without knowing concepts basic to the premise.

I guess my second edit and your response crossed each other.

There are lots of people on this site who have different levels of English, from different countries, and all of whom are not technical but might be interested in the details of a technical discussion because they work in a technology adjacent field.

I mean I often see lawyers, business owners and similar non-technical people taking part in discussions and hoping for some clarification so they can see how it relates to their field, which really a war on general computing really relates to consumer's rights.

Also I don't know that I consider clean room basic to the premise. More like, adjacent...

on edit: seems I like the word adjacent currently.

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