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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by bighead777 »

TheKarateKid wrote: post #278
cblum wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried raising awareness about China's bullshit at work once, and was met with awkward silence and was later told in private that I came off as ignorant/immature. All because I said China should be regarded by the West as an enemy/hostile state. Hell, it's the one thing I can side with the current administration on. To me China is not much different than pre-WWII Germany: over-the-top authoritarian, has ambitions to…

We’ve reached a sad state where any criticism of a non-white country or government is regarded as “racist” or “xenophobic.” Sadly if there were any Chinese team members that heard you and took offense, you could have been reported as saying racist things in the workplace. This is what is silencing people and politicians from speaking the truth on China and other oppressive governments.

Sadly this is the deepest racism in some of the western white people to china, admit it or not, that's the try.

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Post by adventured »

whack wrote: post #283
Hydraulix989 wrote: post #241

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Say what you want about Trump, who is a completely disgusting individual, but I have seen more progress this presidential term in this regard than ever before.

> President Donald Trump expressed approval of a concentration camp for Uighur Muslims in China during a private meeting with Chinese President Xi Jinping, according to former national security adviser John Bolton's upcoming memoir > Xi "explained to Trump why he was basically building concentration camps in Xinjiang," Bolton wrote, citing the interpreter's account. The interpreter added that "Trump said that Xi shou…

Somehow a war-lusting psychopath like Bolton is trustworthy, as he pushes a book out of a vendetta for having been fired?

This is the same Bolton who publicly declared that the single biggest mistake of the Trump presidency was not launching a war against Iran (a war that would kill a million people most likely). The same Bolton who has never shown a problem with aggressively supporting lies, like the foundational lies used for the Iraq war, of which he was a big proponent. There is very little from someone like Bolton that can be trusted directly - which also doesn't mean everything he said about Trump is false, it means there is inherently a severe credibility problem with anything he says.

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Post by aphextron »

WillPostForFood wrote: post #255
kepler1 wrote: post #210

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As long as 95% of the people in the US keep on buying items with their wallets open, and we're distracted with our own internal strife, what hope is there to counter this? Our leadership certainly isn't up to standing against this sort of thing these days.

People want the information, and if they had it many would adjust their buying behavior. I see the "where is this made" question on Amazon products all the time. Even if it didn't make a difference, having the manufacturing origin, and shipping origin clearly labeled would be a good start. https://www.google.com/search?q=site%3Aamazon.com+%22where+i...

Information doesn't matter when you have no other choice. There's practically zero affordable consumer products still made in the US or Europe. Just try finding any form of electronic made outside of Asia. It's nonexistent.

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Post by tomc1985 »

cblum wrote: post #252
tomc1985 wrote: post #162

This post needs to be higher in the list. Everyone that the CCP deputizes as one of their spies needs to have their nose held to this shit.

I tried raising awareness about China's bullshit at work once, and was met with awkward silence and was later told in private that I came off as ignorant/immature. All because I said China should be regarded by the West as an enemy/hostile state. Hell, it's the one thing I can side with the current administration on. To me China is not much different than pre-WWII Germany: over-the-top authoritarian, has ambitions to…

With the business world's dependency on China for cheap manufacturing, I am not surprised one bit. I feel like China has been trying to sink its cultural claws in us for a while... why else is seemingly every business always celebrating Chinese new year every year? I feel like the number of lunar new year celebrations have increased dramatically in the past 5 years

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Post by nendroid »

eloff wrote: post #251
brianhorakh wrote: post #212

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Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

What a disgusting comment.

Nobody wants to read this on HN. If you disagree post why you disagree, an insult like this serves no purpose other than alienating alternative opinions. If I had the karma I would flag you.

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Post by ericd »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #286
ericd wrote: post #269

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Sounds like there might be demand for some certification that looks into the whole supply chain of a company, and can offer levels of “Made in the US” certification, bronze, silver, gold, platinum for 100% end to end. Similarly, it would be great for an estimate and certification of carbon emissions of the supply chain for each product.

Made in the USA is a bit...of a pipe dream. U.S. cost of living is higher, so prices for all products would skyrocket. However, there's MANY countries that are NOT China. We could instead certify products against supporting bad regimes, and using slave / prison labor in the supply chain.

For products where labor is a big input, yeah the delta is probably too high for most unless we get carbon taxes, tariffs, or some other factor that evens the field, but the US also supposedly has quite a bit of highly automated manufacturing. And the purpose is to allow people who place a premium on that to consider it.

But yeah, it could also serve to give visibility into the breakdown of countries of origin, for those who just want to avoid sending money to countries they view as abusive.

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Post by CobrastanJorji »

gremlinsinc wrote: post #282
neycoda wrote: post #201

China has built almost 400 new camps since 2017, while new testimonies have emerged alleging slave labour, forced sterilisations and organ harvesting taking place inside the camps too.

This is def. bad, though I feel somewhat hypocritical, since we're doing forced sterilizations here too... definitely it needs to stop in China AND the USA. https://www.npr.org/2020/09/18/914465793/ice-a-whistleblower...

While what's going on in the US is definitely bad, that appears so far to be an isolated incident involving a small number of individuals, and, while terrible, it's not really at the same scale as China's organized organ harvesting of minorities and dissidents. Evil is evil, and clearly the U.S. has done wrong, but whataboutism like this reads as an effort to dismiss the issue.

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Post by tim333 »

bhaskara2 wrote: post #202

CCP must not go unpunished. The world needs to stand up to their lone wolf style. If we do not stand up against CCP now it will only embolden the evil. Vote with your wallets. Avoid buying China made products. Pressure/ Make laws for retailers to enforce Country of Origin information for each and every product especially Amazon. Amazon is flooded with cheap Chinese products almost certainly made in inhumane condition…

A few individuals buying less stuff isn't going to have much effect. We need something more like the west putting 50% tariffs on Chinese products so all the manufacturing starts moving to other countries. That would probably get their attention.

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Post by seppin »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #312
peacefulhat wrote: post #229

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The UN is not unified on the uighur camps, so it would have to be individual countries at the national level. The UN has voted on several resolutions regarding Chinese policy in Xinjiang. Many countries abstain from voting and of those that vote, more vote in support than vote to denounce.

Was the UN ever unified against CIA torture policies? I don't recall. It may be that the UN is strongly reluctant to call out abominations by superpowers.

Did the CIA operate concentration camps for millions of people? No, it ran guantanamo bay which had at it's peak 140 prisoners.

My kingdom for a little perspective.

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