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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by randomsearch »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

Do you not see the parallels between your words and those of the Nazi’s?

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Post by throwaway_pdp09 »

Kbelicius wrote: post #143
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

Only when those monstrous things spread outside of the borders. Even then it was allowed to spread sometime outside its borders before others reacted.

Think you have a point. But if they can get away with it this time, they be comfortable to cast their influence wider. Then wider still. So I guess to say it's not a problem now means it'll be a bigger one later, and more dangerous.

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Post by [deleted] »

yeetman21 wrote: post #141
throwaway_pdp09 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty Breaking up a regime capable of doing monstrous things has been done before q.v. europe 1945 .

>That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons its in the post you replied to, c'mon man

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Post by coldtea »

kerng wrote: post #116
coldtea wrote: post #89

Here's the realpolitik deal, as I understand it. China doesn't really care about terrorism. What they do care for is a separatism movement. Not because they can't afford to give some land to those to make their own country, but because they fear that that country (or the population within China's borders if no country is created) will be used against them from foreign powers as a pressure point against China. Which i…

Wonder what your perspective is around countries which are closer culturally to Uighurs? Like i keep hearing they are from Turkish decent - would Turkey have any interest or stake in this?

I'm not sure about Turkey's interest regarding Uighurs at the moment.

I think Turkey has too many open fronts (with US, Syria, Armenia, Greece, Libya, Israel, Iran, etc) to have a concrete idea about how to get into the Uighur thing.

But they will raise the issue from time to time, if not for anything else, to have a pressure point on China themselves, they can use to get some shush money or favorable deals.

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Post by sdwa »

brianhorakh wrote: post #212
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Educate yourself. Reddit r/sino is a great place to read the opposition. There are ALWAYs two sides to these stories. Many are fabricated to apply for diplomatic immunity. Uighers represent a very small minority of the overall Chinese population, but almost all domestic terrorism (when the campaign against their culture started in 2014). Yes, their religious culture is being attacked, yes many (most) are good people,…

Yours is possibly the most vile comment I think I've ever read on this website.

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Post by mkolodny »

ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

From the Uyghur Human Rights Project:

> Contact your Senators to urge them to co-sponsor the Uyghur Forced Labor Prevention Act [0]

> Endorse the global campaign for fashion brands to end complicity in Uyghur forced labour [1]

And several other things including signing petitions you can find on their website: https://uhrp.org/what-you-can-do

[0] https://wilberforce.salsalabs.org/preventforcedlabor/index.h... [1] https://enduyghurforcedlabour.org/

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Tarsul »

here's another horrifying article from last month that shows how the eradication of the Uighurs will work out (since they simply won't be able to reproduce): https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/04/muslim-minorit... quote: "In the mostly Uighur regions of Hotan and Kashgar, births collapsed by more than 60% between 2015 and 2018, the last year for which government data was available, the AP found."

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Post by runarberg »

brink wrote: post #205
aleksjess wrote: post #199

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Wow, this is a really poor proposal. Intervening in another's country internal affairs leads to a war. UN is a nice idea, though it doesn't work in reality. To apply for an asylum, you need to leave the country. Low likelyhood of happening. I explain why its wrong to my kids. What then? As sad as it is, we can't do much if anything.

The CCP has no intention of repenting of their ways and will always be seeking to increase it's influence abroad; encouraging this kind of behavior everywhere. Of course fighting is not ideal, as uncomfortable as it is; sometimes fighting is necessary. This isn't a problem that will just go away by wishful thinking or by being ignored.

Nobody is saying that. However currently the Chinese ruling class is getting away with this horror without any repercussions. International condemnation from world leaders might be enough to stop this horror, but so far we are not even seeing that from the international community. More realistically it would take a lot more then only condemnation. We would probably need to see sanctions against the Chinese ruling class and Chinese state owned businesses, and probably we would need to see the Chinese excluded from international cultural and sports events (such as the Olympics).

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Post by peacefulhat »

crocal wrote: post #189
ghoomketu wrote: post #176

I'm in complete and utter disbelief reading this. How can stuff like this be happening in 2020? I mean this seriously but as a lowly computer programmer is there any way we can help these poor people other than offer our sympathy?

Pay your taxes so that your military can keep an eye on the assholes who do this, and so that UN may offer some form of asylum to their victims. Vote for politicians that oppose this shit publicly. Explain to your kids why this is wrong.

The UN is not unified on the uighur camps, so it would have to be individual countries at the national level. The UN has voted on several resolutions regarding Chinese policy in Xinjiang. Many countries abstain from voting and of those that vote, more vote in support than vote to denounce.

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Post by coldtea »

Hyolobrika wrote: post #146
coldtea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?

As far as I know, enslaved citizens of Iraq and Afghanistan are not directly involved in making US goods.

Yeah, I'll give you that.
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