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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by AzzieElbab »

literallycancer wrote: post #68
AzzieElbab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not true. Communism in its core is incompatible with any other system of beliefs. It must replace religions and customs in order to succeed, it must rewrite history in order to seem valuable.

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What does a portrait of the dear leader and a couple of his ideological predecessors look like to you? That is right - the holy trinity. Communism does not get rid of religion, it mimics plagiarizes and tries to replace it. Ever wondered why Russians celebrate New Years under Christmas trees? It is exactly the same thing as renaming pagan holiday to make it seem Christian. Whatever your grievances against religions are, they will rename applicable under communism

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Post by gambiting »

yeetman21 wrote: post #104
emteycz wrote: post #65

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That just confirms the point. Shooting people wasn't economical.

It is more economical than building massive housing complexes and feeding entire populations for years on end

No it isn't, and it doesn't take much research to find out why. Any time the Nazis did it(like in Lvov) it took a huge amount of work to help with burrying/burning the bodies, Nazis didn't want to do it so they would conscript the local population, which was then likely to strike back as they knew exactly what would happen to them. If you told people you were "relocating" them they were far more likely to come peacefully, and concentration camps provided a very valuable source of labour to nearby areas. As for feeding them....it doesn't take much to find out that they were barely fed anything. Pretty much only the prisoners who received outside parcels with food survived more than a month or two, simply because the prisoners weren't fed, given proper clothing or any care whatsoever. The same with "massive housing complexes" - Auschwitz initially used existing military barracks and then built very simple huts for Birkenau. It's hard to call it housing.

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Post by selimthegrim »

nendroid wrote: post #87
iaw wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm still going to say indiscriminately imprisoning and torturing a group of people because of their ethnic background.

The war on terror deliberately avoided slaughtering white people and american citizens. The slaughtering was kept exclusively to people with middle eastern backgrounds. It's the same.

Not true, there was a white British woman in Syria whose child by her white British ex was killed as well

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by fuoqi »

birdyrooster wrote: post #114
fuoqi wrote: post #106

While I think it's a gross over-reaction from the Chinese government, I think I understand the fears which fuel such behavior. CPC has learned a lot from the fall of the Soviet Union and they will do anything in their power to prevent a similar outcome for China. One of the lessons was that cultural differences between citizens can be a very effective tool to destabilize a country. So instead of promoting cultural au…

Has this ever been done successfully? It seems like the racial caste system they continue to build will blow back eventually.

All empires did it to varying extents and a lot of people got assimilated in the result. The outcome got cemented by creation of "nation states". Cherishing of cultural minorities is a relatively recent development.

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Post by fishywang »

>Ӧmir was born to Uighur and Kazakh parents in Xinjiang, or formerly East Turkestan before the Chinese invasion of 1949

This is the first time I've seen the claim that "East Turkestan" (as in the "country") actually existed before 1949. I realize that it could totally be that the history I learnt growing up deliberately omitted that part, and/or the definition of "countries" were more in wonton before the end of WW2. But could someone provide some creditable source to support that claim?

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Post by selimthegrim »

fakedang wrote: post #90
ak39 wrote: post #59

Criticizing the Chinese government's actions for their treatment of the Uighurs will invite state-sponsored "cancel culture" - not just from China but also from the western democratic nations that acquiesce to Chinese whims. This is incredible - look at the life of the professional football player Ozil who was effectively forced to leave Arsenal for his comments on this very subject. Criticizing China should NOT be c…

A.) Ozil hasn't left Arsenal, he's just not played. His contract runs till next year. B.) Ozil is just a shit team player. Never attends practice, instead vacationing on Arsenal's dime. Even Arsene Wenger, one of the greatest coaches, had issues with him. C.) Ozil is also a huge fan of Erdogan, somebody who's currently sending troops to massacre Armenia, while also genociding Turkish Kurds. There is a 5 year old conf…

OK what about the NBA player whose family were Gülen followers?

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Post by DevKoala »

lerptime wrote: post #120
DevKoala wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

9/11 was Al Qaeda from Pakistán. The USA didn’t have a war with Pakistan over a radical terrorist group.

Is Chinas' reaction also not a response to terrorism? Also by war he likely doesn't mean "official" declaration of war by the vocal cords of the US president. He likely means a more physical form of war by means using soldiers, bullets and bombs to conduct mass slaughter. That kind of war.

Killing millions of people is not a proper response to and isolated terrorist act. Moreover you are trying to justify the suffering of people by using some hypothetical scenario that hasn’t occurred.

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Post by ivalm »

birdyrooster wrote: post #118

They creating their own Al Qaeda, come back in ten years and check how they are cooking.

They are populating those regions with Han Chinese and are enforcing mass surveillance. I think the endgame is part ethnic cleansing part assimilation and no part Uighur with their historic culture.
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