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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by jancsika »

nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line?

Wow, the balls on that question.

And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by gadders »

iaw wrote: post #30
bigpumpkin wrote: post #24

I'm curious why this man was denied a US visa in 2018 despite an invitation from Congress to speak about his experience. [1] [1] https://apnews.com/article/dc4062529014451e914ab361b3987afd

My guess would be politics. Congress in the US is democratically controlled while the Senate and Presidency are republican controlled. The current administration is fairly anti-Muslim and has ignored the Uighar issues entirely, the current administration likely told the State Department not to issue the visa.

The Bidens and by extension the Democrats have extensive business connections with China.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by coldtea »

glial wrote: post #81
coldtea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?

There's a reasonable argument to be made against the parent, but "what about" isn't it.

I find "whataboutism is not an argument" is a knee-jerk conditioned reaction against putting things in perspective.

It's almost a Pavlovian thought-stopping response by now - "sure, we have faults but we know them already, can we now concentrate on treating the enemy as some unique evil again?".

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by fakedang »

literallycancer wrote: post #68
AzzieElbab wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is not true. Communism in its core is incompatible with any other system of beliefs. It must replace religions and customs in order to succeed, it must rewrite history in order to seem valuable.

[flagged]

Strong disagree. Religion is opium for the masses. What would replace the time wasted in religious activities? Facebook? We all know where that got us.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by dragonwriter »

coldtea wrote: post #93
glial wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's a reasonable argument to be made against the parent, but "what about" isn't it.

I find "whataboutism is not an argument" is a knee-jerk conditioned reaction against putting things in perspective. It's almost a Pavlovian thought-stopping response by now - "sure, we have faults but we know them already, can we now concentrate on treating the enemy as some unique evil again?".

No, it's “uniqueness isn't the argument, stop beating that strawman”.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by gadders »

ak39 wrote: post #59

Criticizing the Chinese government's actions for their treatment of the Uighurs will invite state-sponsored "cancel culture" - not just from China but also from the western democratic nations that acquiesce to Chinese whims. This is incredible - look at the life of the professional football player Ozil who was effectively forced to leave Arsenal for his comments on this very subject. Criticizing China should NOT be c…

Or you could look at this chap and his experiences in an Australian university: https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/05/14/i-criticized-my-univers...

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by akiselev »

shripadk wrote: post #85
akiselev wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection. We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is onc…

> We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is once again find our principles Yes we can. Boycott CCP controlled businesses, their manufactured goods and services. Ensure strict sanctions are levied on CCP members. Ban travel of CCP members to and from countries that respect the rule of Law. But nope. We w…

An embargo is a national, legally mandated boycott that carries penalties up to and including prison time.

If your personal boycotts help make you feel better about the ongoing genocide, that's great! I, for one, would prefer a solution that works.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Kbelicius »

glial wrote: post #81
coldtea wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?

There's a reasonable argument to be made against the parent, but "what about" isn't it.

That wasn't whataboutism. There isn't any arguments there also. It was simply pointing out that if this man's torture is being added to your karma if you buy anything chines then that would mean that buying anything US made would add all those mentioned things to your karma.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by lerptime »

jancsika wrote: post #91
nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line? Wow, the balls on that question. And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small.

>Wow, the balls on that question.

>And please tell me your imagined design to "quell all terrorism" uses a blockchain. If so, do tell-- really, no detail is too small.

You got big balls too. The Terrorism he talks about involves actual human harm and the mass slaughter of hundreds of people in China.

And here you are trivializing what he's talking about into an insensitive block chain insult. Might as well just call him a "nerd."

I'd say your balls are 100x bigger than his.

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by dragonwriter »

fakedang wrote: post #94
literallycancer wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Strong disagree. Religion is opium for the masses. What would replace the time wasted in religious activities? Facebook? We all know where that got us.

> Religion is opium for the masses, as Napoleon succinctly put it.

As confusion between historical figures goes, Bonaparte - Marx isn't one you see that frequently.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opium_of_the_people

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