think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.
So like Guantanamo, the invasion of Iraq, Afghanistan and close to a century of Kissinger and his ilk, is added to one's karma if they buy US products?
I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps
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What does that have to do with the suffering of Uighur people?
The last time the human race stopped an industrial scale genocide, half the world had to unite under their own selfish reasons. That's no longer possible thanks to nuclear weapons, so our battle will have to be fought first with introspection and reflection.
We can't do anything decisive to help the Uighurs without ripping apart Chinese sovereignty and causing even more collateral damage, so the best we can do is once again find our principles. We will need them to unite us and guide us through the economic pain and chaos that a proper solution like embargoing China would require.
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My guess would be politics. Congress in the US is democratically controlled while the Senate and Presidency are republican controlled. The current administration is fairly anti-Muslim and has ignored the Uighar issues entirely, the current administration likely told the State Department not to issue the visa.
What, visas are determined by politicians? Wow. That's like no rule of law at all!
In the end, everything is determined by politicians...
E.g. who appoints Supreme Court judges and has them own them favors or agree to their ideology? Politicians...
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What, visas are determined by politicians? Wow. That's like no rule of law at all!
Emissaries and consulates are typically ran by career government employees in the US but their operation is overseen by the Secretary of State (a presidential cabinet member) and the State Department. So the presidential appointee has a lot of power over what does and does not happen at consulates/emissaries. It's not optimal but it's what we have.
I imagine foreigners in the US must feel awful.
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We aren't talking about magnitude and frequency. If we were I could point out that communist governments tend to be younger and dealing with more domestic strife as a young government may lead to a higher likelihood of crimes being committed by the government regardless of political economic theory. These phenomenons are not new and arguably were perfected before communism existed. Please don't muddy the waters to ma…
I think it's fair to note that there is a lot of correlation between these kinds of atrocities and communist regimes. It's also fair for you to note that correlation isn't causation, and the cause (or causes) could be other things, such as the age of the regime. To which others could rebut further (e.g., this isn't the 18th or 19th century any more / genocide and ethnic violence are now exceptional / there are lots of countries to model oneself after; a young government could be "forgiven" for violations by rogue officers or soldiers but atrocities perpetrated under communist governments are routinely top-down policy; etc). This is reasonable debate and it's how we understand and solve issues collectively. Analysis like this is exactly the opposite of "muddying the waters".
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#76think twice before buying made in china, for this man,s torture is added to your karma.
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> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line? > Keep in mind the United States likely killed and harmed much more innocent bystanders with its' own allergic immune response to 9/11. It just didn't happen on our soil. We've crossed the line in the past as well. Crossing the line while fighting terrorism was not an acceptable action by the USA but I think it's a false equivalency…
>Crossing the line while fighting terrorism was not an acceptable action by the USA but I think it's a false equivalency to compare it to forced internment, torture, and reeducation of an entire population. I think it's a fair comparison. The amount of innocent bystanders killed by the the US military will be much more than what happens in concentration camps. The difference is the wording. War sounds not as bad as r…
I'm still going to say indiscriminately imprisoning and torturing a group of people because of their ethnic background.
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We aren't talking about magnitude and frequency. If we were I could point out that communist governments tend to be younger and dealing with more domestic strife as a young government may lead to a higher likelihood of crimes being committed by the government regardless of political economic theory. These phenomenons are not new and arguably were perfected before communism existed. Please don't muddy the waters to ma…
shouldn't we criticize nazism? Antisemitism and genocide are not new either.
I agree with your point. I don't imagine the parent would dispute a link between the Nazis' genocides and a fascist ideology (or at least I hope he wouldn't), but for some reason trying to understand this atrocity through the lens of political ideology is "muddying the waters".
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Emissaries and consulates are typically ran by career government employees in the US but their operation is overseen by the Secretary of State (a presidential cabinet member) and the State Department. So the presidential appointee has a lot of power over what does and does not happen at consulates/emissaries. It's not optimal but it's what we have.
I imagine foreigners in the US must feel awful.
A lot of non-foreigners feel horrible about it being inflicted on people too.
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Thank you for posting this. More people need to see this is happening in a so-called first world country.
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That photo in the article is from 2014. Started during the Obama administration. Already been debunked:
https://apnews.com/article/election-2020-democratic-national...