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I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by Darmody »

iaw wrote: post #25
iongoatb wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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We aren't talking about magnitude and frequency. If we were I could point out that communist governments tend to be younger and dealing with more domestic strife as a young government may lead to a higher likelihood of crimes being committed by the government regardless of political economic theory. These phenomenons are not new and arguably were perfected before communism existed. Please don't muddy the waters to ma…

shouldn't we criticize nazism? Antisemitism and genocide are not new either.

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Post by pavlov »

MR4D wrote: post #27
iaw wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> cultural purging and crimes against humanity These existed long before the concept of communism, we can debate communisms merits (of which it has some but not many) or we can actually discuss the crimes against humanity being perpetrated by a dual capitalist/communist society regardless of their political theory of choice.

The problem is that communism centralizes control (obviously of the economy, but in effect many other things) and when control gets centralized, bad things like this are more likely to happen. The same is true of centralization in democracy, but to a lessor effect due to the distributed nature of power in democracies.

Decentralization on its own isn't the answer either.

Look at what happened in USA after the Civil War. Progress was gradually erased on the state and town level. "States' rights" became a fig leaf for oppression of former slaves. The Constitution guaranteed them equal human rights, but reality was something different because the federal government gave up. It's hard to believe that this lasted until the 1960s.

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Post by 1123581321 »

gambiting wrote: post #26
yeetman21 wrote: post #6

In the article he mentions “Their goal is just to exterminate all Uighurs in one way or another”, if that is the case, why not just shoot them all? Why did they let him out?

It would have been far easier for Nazis to shoot all "lesser" races too, yet they used to send people to concentration camps first. And yes, people used to be released from those from time to time too. The answer with Nazis was that after arrival at a concentration camp the weak were sent to immediate excution, the rest were kept for labour, and everyone was stripped off their possessions first - which was very conve…

The Nazis committed many mass shootings, predating the concentration camps in many cases.

Snyder’s Bloodlands is the definitive work on the subject. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bloodlands

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Post by temp_00ahn »

mixedbit wrote: post #42

Why 39 minutes old submission with 148 up-votes is ranked 13th on the HN front page? The first entry at this moment is a 41 minutes old submission with 43 points, the 2nd entry is 59 minutes old with 35 points. Is this because this post is heavily flagged?

censorship is going on in the comments too

Re: I am an Uighur who faced China’s concentration camps

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Post by iaw »

nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

> The question is, is a successful quelling of all terrorism worth crossing the line?

> Keep in mind the United States likely killed and harmed much more innocent bystanders with its' own allergic immune response to 9/11. It just didn't happen on our soil. We've crossed the line in the past as well.

Crossing the line while fighting terrorism was not an acceptable action by the USA but I think it's a false equivalency to compare it to forced internment, torture, and reeducation of an entire population.

At least the USA pretended to be discerning about who they went after.

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Post by gentleman11 »

nendroid wrote: post #37

This is horrible. No doubt this is an allergic immune response to terrorism. The actions here on a different level than what's going on in Hong Kong, possibly because of this: "In July 2009, riots broke out in Xinjiang in response to a violent dispute between Uyghur and Han Chinese workers in a factory and result in over 100 deaths. Following the riots, Uyghur radicals killed dozens of Chinese citizens in coordinated…

Terrorism is the practice of terrorizing mass populations through use of force in the hopes of promoting an ideological agenda. What the Chinese state is doing right now, that sounds a lot like terrorism on an epically larger scale, doesn’t it?

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Post by DevKoala »

hawkoy wrote: post #23
sergiotapia wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for posting this. More people need to see this is happening in a so-called first world country.

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What does that have to do with the suffering of Uighur people?
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