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Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by TuringNYC »

kranner wrote: post #309
TuringNYC wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize we're talking about music and google here, but i'm curious how people feel about Audible and Kindle? I made a fairly large bet on Audble+Kindle because we ran out of space in our home for books (as well as the portability.) Our entire library is now on Kindle with elaborate notes -- how big a risk do you think this is? (to compare risks, btw, in the past my past home got majorly flooded (Hurricane Sandy) an…

At least with Kindle books, you can run them through DeDRM and back up the DRM-free files. With Audible audiobooks, I’m not aware of a method other than to play them back and record the audio in real time.

Good point, though with the YouTube-dl DMCA takedown recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24872911), I wouldnt be surprised if DeDRM type utilities also get taken down soon.

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by izacus »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #299

Wow, reading all of these comments, it's really striking to me how Google has basically no consumer goodwill left. Obviously this is a biased sample, but it's kind of amazing to me how a company that was admired and beloved not too long ago is just reviled now: by governments, by their users, by their customers (i.e. advertisers). I really have to wonder what morale is like in Google-land. So much of their corporate…

Please don't mix loud yellers of HN with reality. If you look at any independent consumer reports the picture is very different. And

Yeah, there's plenty of people liking Google and even Facebook still.

Please never never mix up the sentiment of a site with a voting system (which while design will drown out certain ideas) with the general reality. This leads into very nasty surprises - both when releasing products in your company or when expecting election results. To be honest it's very bizzare that supposedly smart people on HN say dumb things like "who's still using Google products" and other silly sentiment in this very thread.

(Having said that, YTM is a pretty awful product which seems to be born from some very awful corporate decisionmaking. Everything YouTube is really.)

Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by harisund »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #299

Wow, reading all of these comments, it's really striking to me how Google has basically no consumer goodwill left. Obviously this is a biased sample, but it's kind of amazing to me how a company that was admired and beloved not too long ago is just reviled now: by governments, by their users, by their customers (i.e. advertisers). I really have to wonder what morale is like in Google-land. So much of their corporate…

I hope you are kidding.

When you are getting money the amounts Google pays their employees, you couldn't care less if everyone in the world says "we hate you, you suck"

Plus, once you have Google on your resume, it's hard to imagine a company that will reject you so ... again, no one cares if they are hated.

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Post by gumby »

LudwigNagasena wrote: post #165
ewmiller wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

FaceTime is very much still a thing, I use it with my family all the time.

Is it more convenient than WhatsApp?

It has a couple of really good use cases as it works on non-phones (macs and ipads). Little kids and some older people don’t have phones. I like the bigger screen for non-casual video calls.

Also, I was on a project with a colleague who had a poor internet connection and we found FT worked better than zoom. FT video quality seems to be the best of the services I’ve used but personally I don’t care about this part much.

I wouldn’t call these “killer features” but they are enough, with the integration into address book etc, to make it flourish.

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Post by QuizzicalCarbon »

disgruntledphd2 wrote: post #300
PurpleFoxy wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s not a Facebook service which is an instant plus

No, just one for rich people (as a green bubbler, this upsets me quite a lot).

The blue and green chat bubbles are the sender’s chat bubbles, not the receiver’s. So it’s the iPhone user with the colored bubbles, non-iPhone receives and iPhone receivers are white/gray.

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Post by recursive »

titzer wrote: post #195
Vermeulen wrote: post #21

They've had years to fix all the issues people have had with this - and yet everyone still hates it (based on Reddit / App reviews). Playing music offline is broken, browsing playlists is insanely slow, and it lacks so many basic features of GPM/other services (like actual random shuffle and not a smart radio that plays the same 10 songs). Combining Youtube Likes with the music thumbs up makes no sense - I now have l…

> browsing playlists is insanely slow, This is so unforgivable. A playlist can be what? A hundred songs? A thousand? Ten thousand? This is a few kilobytes of data at most. Something has gone seriously wrong if the Google infrastructure and a mobile device with > 1gb of RAM cannot manipulate this small amount of data properly.

I think you're a few orders of magnitude off. If each song has 100 bytes of metadata, which is a reasonable guess I think, then ten thousand songs costs a megabyte.

I mean, your point still stands, but it's more effectively made without the exaggeration I think.

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Post by asveikau »

echelon wrote: post #217
ElijahLynn wrote: post #93

And FWIW, the migration doesn't work. The "thumbs up" playlist goes into YT Music "Liked music" which includes all sorts of other YouTube "music-ish" videos that we have liked over the years and the order is all jacked up, plus mixed with all that other stuff. So your "Liked Music" is now, not what you intended. The migration was super botched by the product team because of this.

Figures it doesn't work. They don't care. To every Google employee reading this: your company sucks. Tell that to your manager. With the exception of Youtube, I will never use Google entertainment products again. No Stadia, no Google Play Movies. I don't know what their vision is for product, but whatever it is subtracts from the world. I was worried a decade ago when I saw music moving into the cloud. Now my fears a…

> your company sucks. Tell that to your manager.

Having worked at a some megacorps, I can tell you this strategy is not going to give you personal success at that company.

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Post by strawberrypuree »

Google Play Music was launched in 2011. If users don’t take action, their legally purchased music will be deleted and they won’t have access to it.

For comparison, iTunes Music store was launched in 2003. I still have access to songs I bought with my mom’s credit card when I was 15. I’m 32.

Which company respects users more?

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Post by [deleted] »

harisund wrote: post #313
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #299

Wow, reading all of these comments, it's really striking to me how Google has basically no consumer goodwill left. Obviously this is a biased sample, but it's kind of amazing to me how a company that was admired and beloved not too long ago is just reviled now: by governments, by their users, by their customers (i.e. advertisers). I really have to wonder what morale is like in Google-land. So much of their corporate…

I hope you are kidding. When you are getting money the amounts Google pays their employees, you couldn't care less if everyone in the world says "we hate you, you suck" Plus, once you have Google on your resume, it's hard to imagine a company that will reject you so ... again, no one cares if they are hated.

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Re: Google Play Music, Music Play Store and Music Manager are going away

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Post by strawberrypuree »

kranner wrote: post #309
TuringNYC wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realize we're talking about music and google here, but i'm curious how people feel about Audible and Kindle? I made a fairly large bet on Audble+Kindle because we ran out of space in our home for books (as well as the portability.) Our entire library is now on Kindle with elaborate notes -- how big a risk do you think this is? (to compare risks, btw, in the past my past home got majorly flooded (Hurricane Sandy) an…

At least with Kindle books, you can run them through DeDRM and back up the DRM-free files. With Audible audiobooks, I’m not aware of a method other than to play them back and record the audio in real time.

OpenAudible works to remove the DRM on Audible books. Worst case, grab the CD versions from your library and rip them yourself.

It’s a shame about the notes on Kindle, I don’t think those are something you can back up / transfer. Really makes me wish that the open source alternatives had the same level of polish and feature set.

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