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Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by Aeolun »

protomyth wrote: post #30
Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

Any organization you create to manage such a list will be captured by non-programmers with an agenda that is political and stops serving the original purpose. They will play favorites.

You can add or remove companies from the license agreement yourself?

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by npongratz »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

I cannot speak to its viability, but the BipCot NoGov License is a pioneer along these lines. It has been around at least 5 years: https://bipcot.org

'The BipCot NoGov License allows any use of software, media, products or services EXCEPT by governments. The BipCot NoGov License threatens no “government guns” for violators. It is not copyright-based, it is entirely shame-based.'

Text of version 1.2 of the license:

https://bipcot.org/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/BipCotNoGovSof...

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by freeCandy »

formerly_proven wrote: post #38

It's still available from a bunch of Linux repositories. As it's completely written in Python, you can extract those packages and use the code even on Windows (or MACos, if you're into that sort of thing) https://www.archlinux.org/packages/community/any/youtube-dl/

It's also on Pypi: https://pypi.org/project/youtube_dl/

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by neves »

npongratz wrote: post #42
Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

I cannot speak to its viability, but the BipCot NoGov License is a pioneer along these lines. It has been around at least 5 years: https://bipcot.org 'The BipCot NoGov License allows any use of software, media, products or services EXCEPT by governments. The BipCot NoGov License threatens no “government guns” for violators. It is not copyright-based, it is entirely shame-based.' Text of version 1.2 of the license: ht…

Ok, I believe it is a joke, but I find really weird to see the government, a collective social construction, as the source of all evil.

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by syshum »

neves wrote: post #44
npongratz wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I cannot speak to its viability, but the BipCot NoGov License is a pioneer along these lines. It has been around at least 5 years: https://bipcot.org 'The BipCot NoGov License allows any use of software, media, products or services EXCEPT by governments. The BipCot NoGov License threatens no “government guns” for violators. It is not copyright-based, it is entirely shame-based.' Text of version 1.2 of the license: ht…

Ok, I believe it is a joke, but I find really weird to see the government, a collective social construction, as the source of all evil.

A government is like fire, a handy servant, but a dangerous master

Government comes in many forms but at its core government is a monopoly on the invitation of force. Governments are instituted to use force to compell action or inaction. The laws of a government can be democratic or dictorial but in either case the laws are backed by this threat of force

Evil is a subjective value. So for a government to be evil you would need to agree with the statement "it is unethical to initiate the use of force"

Of you believe it is unethical to initiate force then one would alose believe government is evil or unethical

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by dgrin91 »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

Keep in mind there is no singular we. There will be code monkeys you agree with. There will be code monkeys you dont agree with. There will be code monkeys you sorta agree with. They would all start to make their own lists. You'll be on some of this lists.

All we've really ended up doing is fragmenting the internet more.

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by 0goel0 »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

Like https://github.com/climate-strike/license I guess. There's good discussion of this in the numpy mailing list linked in the readme.

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by curryst »

Ahmed90 wrote: post #18
slooonz wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then it’s no longer open-source projects.

That's why I'm curious, it's more of a movement I guess, also there are multiple types license and idk if blacklisting a specific entity is possible or if it has any legal grounds

It does have legal precedent. There's some spat with a color that's copyrighted (related to vantablack iirc) and the copyright specifically says that the other person is the only person who does not have the right to use the color.

I don't know if that was tested, but I'm not aware of any laws that would prohibit you from excluding an entity or entities from your copyright.

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by alpaca128 »

slooonz wrote: post #15
Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

Then it’s no longer open-source projects.

Open Source is not the same as Free Software and does not say much about the license other than that the source can be viewed. At least that is my understanding.

Re: YouTube-dl source code encoded in two images

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Post by strogonoff »

0goel0 wrote: post #47
Ahmed90 wrote: post #14

Genuine question, how viable is it, if we (code monkeys) created some sort of a blacklist of the entities that are not allowed to use our open source projects? -- something like "We don't support Internet Explorer" but a bit more aggressive? like "These entities don't understand the Internet, we don't support them, they cant use our software"? Maintaining that list would be a ton of work and edge cases tho :/

Like https://github.com/climate-strike/license I guess. There's good discussion of this in the numpy mailing list linked in the readme.

Interesting. I was fully expecting this license to also prohibit any uses involving proof-of-work-based cryptocurrencies, but it only focuses on fossil fuels.
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