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YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Conversely, the RIAA is making its media available on a known, at-risk platform to attain distribution. They're not protecting their copyright sufficiently, and the copyrights should be revoked. I can't wait for ML to lower the barrier to entry for music to near nil. Make anyone a vocalist or instrumentalist and hose these assholes.

As much as I would like this to be true, copyright doesn't have to be defended in order to be kept. That's a very different law, trademarks. You can have your copyright infringed for decades before you try to prosecute the infringers, and the courts will still rule in your favour.

I'm suggesting that ML will lower the barrier to entry so dramatically that the value of individual songs and musicians will plummet. The back catalog of copyright that the RIAA holds will become a fraction of its value today.

I could be wrong, but nascent technology in this field looks incredibly powerful.

I think this will happen with all media.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

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Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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> Is a knife in violation of the criminal justice system because some people use it to kill and therefore no one can use it anywhere, ever? I mean, guns are banned in many countries using precisely the same reasoning. And I might totally be wrong about this but I heard that in the UK you need to be over 18 to buy even just kitchen knives.

Guns are not banned in any country. They are restricted in almost every country, for good reasons. The level of restriction may vary based on culture, history etc. Also people who claim the same logic applies to kitchen knife and guns are mentally still living in the wild west of the 1800s.

AFAIK guns were banned by the Tokugawa Shogunate during the Sakoku period till the Meiji revolution & gun ownership is still very limited in Japan even today.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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The fact that copyrighted works were included in the readme shows it was intended for that use, and the RIAA complaint will likely stand up to any legal scrutiny. Just because it can be used for legit purposes too won't matter in the slightest. I mean, Napster could have been used for legal means as well, and it got destroyed in court. The only chance tools like this have legally is when infringement is an "unintende…

No it doesn't follow at all, any more than had the repo owners included a couple of public domain recordings in the repo then the conclusion that the tool was clearly intended to download public domain recordings.

You may feel it doesn't matter, but it does in fact matter to the entities where decisions are made on matters like this: the courts.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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Note that RIAA is making this takedown because the software CAN be used to download copyrighted music and videos, and it uses examples in the ~~README~~(unit tests, see correction[1]) as an example of that: > We also note that the source code prominently includes as sample uses of the source code the downloading of copies of our members’ copyrighted sound recordings and music videos, as noted in Exhibit A hereto. For…

I think you are misunderstanding the legal argument. The DMCA Section 1201 specifically prohibits (among other things) technology that "is marketed ... for use in circumventing a technological measure that effectively controls access to a work protected under this title." The example in the README is evidence of this. The argument is that youtube-dl is primarily used for breaking DRM not just that it could be used fo…

Calling the thing youtube-dl in the first place rather than GenericDownloadHelper or something like that could, I guess, be seen as marketing it for a specific purpose.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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YouTube-dl is a great tool that I've found use for a dozen times, and not once to download music or music videos. (Note that it works on sites beyond YouTube.) This takedown interferes with a number of legitimate uses that are completely independent of the RIAA's objectives.

Agreed. Once I discovered that "it also works outside of YouTube" when I want to archive something I'll just point it at a page and set it loose. It's also handy for archiving an entire podcast by feeding it only the RSS feed URL and turning it loose.

Re: YouTube-dl has received a DMCA takedown from RIAA

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> this seems outrageous the same way DMCA'ing a Bittorrent client would be Why stop there? I can use my browser to illegally download content, so I guess we better issue a DMCA takedown that too. But who even needs a browser? Let's issue a takedown for the GNU Project while we're at it because I could use wget to do the same thing. In fact, I could write my own program to illegally download content, so we better just…

cURL could be used to download pornography. Think of the children!

Why stop there? Telnet can be used. Or what about wireshark? Let's ban those too. While we're at it, C++ can be used and other programming languages as well. We could keep going.

This whole thing is silly.

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