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Particle Physicists Continue to Make Empty Promises

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Re: Particle Physicists Continue to Make Empty Promises

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Web browsers and HTML were invented at CERN. Theory of Relativity was invented at the Swiss Patent Office.

Which is a curious argument since it compares the free time activities of a patent officer with the activities of a scientist trying to improve his workplace communication. I.e., apples with oranges.

Well, apples are obviously superior, because you can't make an apple pie with oranges.

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I am a particle physicist and when I worked at CERN I helped building the data acquisition software of the ATLAS experiment. The empty promises she is talking about are the equivalent of the promises by politicians during a campaign: they are for the larger public, for the people who (rightfully!) don't want to get more informed than that. In the background, both in science and in politics, technical folks know what…

Which technological improvements?

https://kt.cern/startups

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Why can't they increase the energy levels inside the existing tunnels? It just requires stronger magnets, right?

Someone will figure out how to make 1000 Tesla electromagnets at some point, and it's off to the races again. Without the need for more construction.

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I am a particle physicist and when I worked at CERN I helped building the data acquisition software of the ATLAS experiment. The empty promises she is talking about are the equivalent of the promises by politicians during a campaign: they are for the larger public, for the people who (rightfully!) don't want to get more informed than that. In the background, both in science and in politics, technical folks know what…

Which technological improvements?

For a start you can look at the list of technologies you can license from them: https://kt.cern/technologies

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Dr. Sabine Hossenfelder is an opiniated physicist who gets a lot of flak for constantly commenting on this issue. Yet, I believe she does society a service in doing so. I have yet to see anyone contradict her basic premise with factual information. I wish she were wrong, as I would love to see a breakthrough towards an experimentally verified Grand Unified Theory, including an explanation for what we currently identi…

She had a talk[1] at the Perimeter Institute a few years ago, which I recall thinking was rather good.

[1]: http://pirsa.org/17110133

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Science shouldn’t be a zero sum game. As a physicist I love that we get a huge chunk of science funding for all kinds of stuff. Generally speaking developing a new accelerator leads to excellent technical advances at all levels of the stack. Web browsers and HTML were invented at CERN. Super conducting magnets at scale were pioneered for LHC. The detectors with custom radiation hard ASICs for particle detection and t…

> Science shouldn’t be a zero sum game.

Poor people "shouldn’t" die from simple diseases. Is this the game, we are wishing away things we don't like?

Science 100% is zero sum. Especially talking the figures we are here.

How about we start with creating free science text books (that are not garbage) for the world then we'll let you blow multi-billions on your religion?

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Science shouldn’t be a zero sum game. As a physicist I love that we get a huge chunk of science funding for all kinds of stuff. Generally speaking developing a new accelerator leads to excellent technical advances at all levels of the stack. Web browsers and HTML were invented at CERN. Super conducting magnets at scale were pioneered for LHC. The detectors with custom radiation hard ASICs for particle detection and t…

> Web browsers and HTML were invented at CERN. More structural funding for open source software would also be welcome. Software that deals with communication (browsers, protocols, email, filesystems, codecs, etc.) should be fully open and developed by universities and government institutions, imho.

>developed by universities and government institutions

The NSA called to say that they like your thinking there!

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Science shouldn’t be a zero sum game. As a physicist I love that we get a huge chunk of science funding for all kinds of stuff. Generally speaking developing a new accelerator leads to excellent technical advances at all levels of the stack. Web browsers and HTML were invented at CERN. Super conducting magnets at scale were pioneered for LHC. The detectors with custom radiation hard ASICs for particle detection and t…

I usually have to bite my tongue when it comes to Sabine's ramblings. BTW, I would love if anyone could point me any phenomenology paper of hers, I can't find them. Maybe when she single-handedly finishes with the slaying of the particle physics dragon she might tackle idk, condensed matter physics, she has the same kind of background there so who knows. Anyway, I'd like to link Dorigo's post where this anti-science…

That is a nice article! Thanks for pointing it out. Most of the time I try to bite my tongue aswell. It is just sometimes really upsetting.

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I think more should be spent on fusion research - I think it is just as likely to produce interesting random spin off technologies, but could also produce huge direct benefits to the earth if it can be made into a safe way to produce energy cheaply. JET has proved it is possible: https://ccfe.ukaea.uk/research/joint-european-torus/ ITER is taking JET's work to the next level https://www.iter.org/ Maybe it can't ever…

yeah or maybe ESA could start trying to capture some asteroids.

I remember times when LHC was powered on. It was exiting and many things were speculated that this door would open.

And well... it all fizzled out quite quickly.

Building bigger collider feels like doubling down on a huge sunken cost fallacy.

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