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Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

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Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#21

> Because a VPN in this sense is just a glorified proxy. The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging. Wow, I didn't know VPN providers have broken SSL and can read all that traffic. This was on the frontpage before. Are people just upvoting it for the clickbait headline without reading the points that are being made?

Even if your content data are encrypted using TLS, your metadata will still be logged.

And metadata can be just as useful for violating your privacy as content data.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#22
Some VPN provider's claims were verified in court and thus it's known they don't keep logs, so the article's claims just fall apart:

https://www.techspot.com/news/82259-keeping-private-5-vpns-h...

Edit: Many coutries have mandatory data retention policies [1], so if you're from one of those countries it's virtually guaranteed that your internet usage logs for the last months/years are logged somewhere. On the otherhand, a VPN provider has a strong financial incentive to not log your data (because their repuatation has a high financial value) and in some cases it can be known that (at least at some point in the past) they weren't logging, so there is a very high probability that they are not logging now.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Data_retention

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#23
I can't seem to find a reliable source, would AWS or Azure penalise you for using a VPN for torrenting? I've heard about accounts being terminated because of hosted seedboxes on VMs, but I'm not sure what would happen with a VPN + Torrent combination.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#24
> You are on a known-hostile network (eg. a public airport WiFi access point, or an ISP that is known to use MITM), and you want to work around that.

what if your ISP is a known-hostile network?

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#25
In defence of the big VPN providers.

1) Why would you keep logs, when you could then be compelled to hand them over?

2) As setting up a VPN company is easy/cheap, you conversely have to spend a large pile of cash to advertize your way to the top. The only asset you really end up with is your name/reputation. Publicly burning a customer would be incredibly expensive.

Adjusts tinfoil hat I think the point about VPN providers acting as a honey-pot might have some legs though. Seems incredible to think that whilst NSA and the rest are determined to detect illegal activity online, VPN providers seemingly thrive without any interference/intrusion. My view is that as long as you're not doing anything too bad, you're safe as the cost of your exposure isn't worth it.

Of course if the government was having trouble infiltrating/extracting information from the big VPNs due to the volume of traffic, pushing the 'people who really want privacy' to self-identify even further, by creating their own service makes sense. All the traffic emerging from it (even if encrypted, you know where it's going) can be tied back to the single user.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#26
post #22

Some VPN provider's claims were verified in court and thus it's known they don't keep logs, so the article's claims just fall apart: https://www.techspot.com/news/82259-keeping-private-5-vpns-h... Edit: Many coutries have mandatory data retention policies [1], so if you're from one of those countries it's virtually guaranteed that your internet usage logs for the last months/years are logged somewhere. On the otherha…

Their upstream providers are happy to tap the traffic if someone with enough $$$ knocks on their door.

Also, why are these companies registered in Panama or the British Virgin Islands?

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#27

> Because a VPN in this sense is just a glorified proxy. The VPN provider can see all your traffic, and do with it what they want - including logging. Wow, I didn't know VPN providers have broken SSL and can read all that traffic. This was on the frontpage before. Are people just upvoting it for the clickbait headline without reading the points that are being made?

I'm not sure I get your point. If you think TLS is adequate to stop a VPN provider figuring out what you're doing, why isn't it good enough to stop the ISP/Government/evil coffee chain IT team?

It's good enough to stop the government to know what exactly you send, but not who you send it to. The VPN provider can know what servers you send it to, but that's usually not your threat model.

Short of using a VPN provider that's a front operation of the government you're trying to avoid, VPNs do a good job in adding a layer of protection. The proposed solution in the article (rent a VPS) does not, as the IP is unique to you and tied to your identity, the hoster has no incentive to protect your identity.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#28
post #23

I can't seem to find a reliable source, would AWS or Azure penalise you for using a VPN for torrenting? I've heard about accounts being terminated because of hosted seedboxes on VMs, but I'm not sure what would happen with a VPN + Torrent combination.

Considering the networking costs of azure and AWS, it's hard to see why anyone would want to use them for torrents, with or without VPN. lowendbox have much cheaper alternatives for such boxes.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#29
Unless you explicitly need speed, or they're your only option, why do people use VPNs for privacy over Tor? Do they provide any benefits other than being faster? I thought Tor was a much more secure option if privacy in particular is your objective.

Re: Don't Use VPN Services (2016)

#30
I haven't seen any discussion of this, so I assume I'm wrong.

Can't you solve a lot of these problems by chaining VPN providers? It would only take one running securely and not keeping logs to make it impossible to trace the connection from the destination to you.

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