So time for a refund right?
You can probably get a full refund in Australia, as the product is no longer fit for purpose. I'm not sure how easy it would be to get the money though.
Really? Australia mandates a 12+ year warranty?
You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#142Earlier quoted context omitted.
> You did purchase the software after all Err, umm, no. You purchased a license to use the software.
Not really? If you have the disks, you bought a copy of it, just like you bought a copy of a book, not a license to read it's pages.
What hardware are you running that old crap code on anyways? If you are in the video world today, those old versions of software can't even handle HD let alone 4K/8K. I couldn't even imagine trying to run RAW video without GPU support. Why are people so clinging on to software that only allows work from 10-15 years ago? Times have progressed. The old software doesn't support anything I need it to today (maybe I could get by with an old version of PS except for today's RAW formats would bring it to its knees).
Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#143There are special no-activation-required versions of the entire CS2 and CS3 product line! Adobe killed the product activation servers for CS2 products in 2013, and for CS3 products in 2017. For CS2, they offered Activation-free replacement installers and generic serial numbers on their support page. This resulted in a bunch of press[0] about it being a /!\ omg completely free Creative Suite /!\, so for CS3's 2017 shu…
That was an excellent summary of Adobe's software giveaway.
Are you sure that the replacement serial numbers are individualized? When I tried googling, some of my replacement serial numbers are found on the web, some aren't. This seems to suggest that they are not individualized -- at least for some product & platform combinations.
My own theory about the motivation of the original giveaway is that they lost the ability to generate new licenses for those old versions, so they made it free. A comment[1] from 3 years ago:
How could they lose the ability to create licenses? I can think of many scenarios: The one server that ran the legacy license code crashed, and they had no backups. Or they lost the database of who had which product and serial number, so there was no way to verify anything when someone needed to reactivite an old product or move their license to a different system. Or there was a new bug or incompatibility in their license generator, perhaps due to a server upgrade, but the source code for the licensing software was lost so there was no way to rebuild it.[1]
Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see people running OSX Lion to run newer CS versions than CS3 because they can’t be installed on operating systems that have gotten security updates in the last five years. =\
What version of OSX was Lion? Snow Leopard 10.6 was the last one for the original cheese graters, and I know plenty of people running those and Final Cut 7 systems. It ain't broke, so they ain't fixin'. It's older SD tape based work flows that just ingest content from tape all day long, and then places it on the SAN for others workflows.
Lion is 10.7, one after Snow Leopard.
I’m not sure why you’d run 10.7 instead of either 10.6 or 10.8 (or 10.9) btw. Lion is buggier than the adjacent releases (which are really solid).
Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#145I've been a firm believer that copyrights should expire when the item isn't commercially available anymore. And to keep people from abusing the obvious issues, it needs to be available at a reasonable cost relative to its price when originally released, or the copyright renewal needs to have an exponentially growing fee. I've also been considering what it means if copyright was to assure something for the public good…
It's outrageous that copyright protection applies to DRM-encumbered material. Simply outrageous.
Copyright is supposed to be a bargain with the public domain, and DRM explicitly renounces that bargain. This is a great example to point to... but as usual, nobody cares who has any power to change things, and nobody with any power cares.
Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#146There are special no-activation-required versions of the entire CS2 and CS3 product line! Adobe killed the product activation servers for CS2 products in 2013, and for CS3 products in 2017. For CS2, they offered Activation-free replacement installers and generic serial numbers on their support page. This resulted in a bunch of press[0] about it being a /!\ omg completely free Creative Suite /!\, so for CS3's 2017 shu…
That was an excellent summary of Adobe's software giveaway. Are you sure that the replacement serial numbers are individualized ? When I tried googling, some of my replacement serial numbers are found on the web, some aren't. This seems to suggest that they are not individualized -- at least for some product & platform combinations. My own theory about the motivation of the original giveaway is that they lost the abi…
> But are you sure that the replacement serial numbers are individualized?
Just an assumption because I have two legit OS X CS3 Master Collection serials, got two different replacement offline serials for them, and those serials don't work for the Windows version just like the originals didn't v(._. )v
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#147In the last month I've returned two pieces of Adobe software and canceled a yearly subscription. I've been seeing ads for the AI features in photoshop all over twitter this week. It's pretty clear what their business strategy is -- just keep working on the tech and assume people will buy their software because it's the only one with the hot tech thing. It's ironic that for a company that caters to designers, artists…
> It's ironic that for a company that caters to designers, artists and product folks, all their products have such poor UI.
That's not really who they're catering to anymore, though. Not primarily, anyway. If you pay attention to the way Adobe communicates in recent years, it's all about the "democratization" of design tools. They want their new tech to look like magic to regular consumers. It doesn't need good UI. It doesn't need to help professionals work more efficiently. It just needs to help Joe Everyman use content-aware fill to remove the unwanted thing from his next Instagram upload. If they can do something in that vein once a month and keep the subscription rolling, then they're golden.
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#148I don't have the original license agreements handy to determine whether this is the case, but I'm guessing the following are true: 1) Customers "agree" to binding arbitration 2) Adobe reserves the right to terminate your ability to install the software at any time If the above are not true, however, this seems like a nice target for an entrepreneurial class action lawyer. Of course, what we really need are some vastl…
EULAs in boxed software were always strange to begin with. You could not return opened software so if you purchased something like CS 2 on disc and didn’t like the terms there was nothing you could do. The agreements were not always enforceable unless the terms were stated on the box or a refund option was provided (which rarely was for fear of piracy).
> You could not return opened software
On the contrary, I remember reading EULAs that clearly stated that if the user didn't agree with the EULA they could return it to the store where it was purchased for a full refund - regardless of the condition of the box. I think that was in Microsoft's terms mostly?
Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#149Earlier quoted context omitted.
I see people running OSX Lion to run newer CS versions than CS3 because they can’t be installed on operating systems that have gotten security updates in the last five years. =\
What version of OSX was Lion? Snow Leopard 10.6 was the last one for the original cheese graters, and I know plenty of people running those and Final Cut 7 systems. It ain't broke, so they ain't fixin'. It's older SD tape based work flows that just ingest content from tape all day long, and then places it on the SAN for others workflows.
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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks
#150Adobe CS3 is about 10+ years old right?. I can see people blaming Adobe if they did provide a 10 yr old software without security updates. Talking about software that no longer works, I tried network recovery on a 2016 Mac. 2016 Mac is programmed to download only Mojave. And Mojave can't be installed on a Mac that had Catalina at some point in the past (even after a complete disk wipe). It took me a whole day to find…
AFAIK, nobody is making 0 days for 10 year old desktop software that doesn't usually connect to the internet. I guess maybe you could craft a malicious image file and target a specific person's computer if you were a state level actor, but seems rather unlikely.