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You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by beachy »

stackreality wrote: post #42

And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe moved to a subscription model that has allowed them to stay alive as a business without monetizing you as the product like many other ad based businesses. Adobe gets trashed endlessly for this because we had a taste of the perpetual license long ago. But the perpetual license doesn't make sense with cloud based updates and document sync that everyone also exp…

> And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail.

Gmail has always been a hosted service - not software that runs entirely on your own machine. Apples and oranges.

> Imagine creating software today with perpetual licenses but no updates or sync across devices. You would laugh it off your machine.

You mean like any number of extremely popular software packages like IntelliJ that offer perpetual licenses?

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by tbirdny »

No one would still be using CS 2 or 3 if Adobe had reasonable prices on new products. I bought Adobe products since the mid 1990s, but I recently switched to Affinity Photo and Designer because Adobe priced me out. Elements wasn't powerful enough for me. I was surprised how good Affinity software is. It does everything I need and is a very reasonable price without a subscription. I may never buy another Adobe product. Adobe is so foolish for giving their competitors an opening. They are giving away their business.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by TillE »

sn41 wrote: post #50
icebraining wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PDF files are an ISO standard (including the digital signing part), so that should be fine.

But who authenticates the digital signatures? I am under the impression that these are certified by Adobe.

PDF signing should be pretty standard PKI stuff. If you have Adobe's public certs you're good.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by PeterisP »

sn41 wrote: post #50
icebraining wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

PDF files are an ISO standard (including the digital signing part), so that should be fine.

But who authenticates the digital signatures? I am under the impression that these are certified by Adobe.

In general, digital signatures should always be cryptographically verifiable by the receiver without anyone's cooperation - certification by someone may be required to make the signature (especially if you'd want the signature to include a trusted timestamp), but everyone else in perpetuity can verify if a signature was certified by someone even if that certifier does not exist anymore.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by Lammy »

eli wrote: post #11
beachy wrote: post #7

"The aging activation servers for those apps had to be retired." Cry me a river - Adobe can't afford to keep an old server running? At least be honest about the motivation.

Release a patch to remove the check and you don’t need to worry about it.

They did! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24865636

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by bluepizza »

stackreality wrote: post #42

And you can no longer use the 2008 version of Gmail. Adobe moved to a subscription model that has allowed them to stay alive as a business without monetizing you as the product like many other ad based businesses. Adobe gets trashed endlessly for this because we had a taste of the perpetual license long ago. But the perpetual license doesn't make sense with cloud based updates and document sync that everyone also exp…

But nobody paid for the 2008 version of Gmail.

Adobe cannot unilaterally change the rules of a sale they completed in the past. It’s Darth Vader’s “pray i don't alter it further” behaviour - a character built to be the representation of evil.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by DoreenMichele »

grecy wrote: post #2

> You can no longer reinstall Creative Suite 2 or 3 even if you have the original installation disks. The aging activation servers for those apps had to be retired. I always wonder if a situation like this is legal. If I purchased a product and want to keep using it, what right does the seller have to prevent me from doing so x years later? Can I sue them for not selling me the product they said they were selling me?

Laws change from place to place and time to time. It might be legal in one place but not another. It might be legal at one time but not another.

The devil is in the details.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by zamalek »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #59
zamalek wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

IANAL, it is now abandonware and can be legally cracked (legislation past year or two).

I’m also not a lawyer, but I’m pretty sure that’s not a thing, at least in the US. Downloading/distributing abandonware is still piracy, it’s just much less likely anyone will care.

I remember The Internet Archive celebrating the fact that the "do not tamper" clause was no longer legal for abandonware (as they host tons of abandonware that has been cracked, e.g. Win 95).

But I could be wrong.

Re: You can no longer reinstall CS 2 or 3 even if you have the original disks

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Post by manquer »

lsiebert wrote: post #29
foobar1962 wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You did purchase the software after all Err, umm, no. You purchased a license to use the software.

Not really? If you have the disks, you bought a copy of it, just like you bought a copy of a book, not a license to read it's pages.

Modifying the binary is not same as copying . Also given thay Adobe has failed to their side of the agreement, there is some legal standing.

Ofcourse it has to be tested in court, unlikely Adobe will even sue if they knew. I don't think they care one way or another. And the customer using cs2 still is unlikely to sue as it's not going to be a large enterprise.

This is just laziness from Adobe , older servers take effort to maintain. They could be using keys that have expired to be signing the auth request for example.

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