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Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Yes, and if you are a citizen of a free country that defects to a mafia state to help in their PR efforts, such an action should be called out for what it is.

Snowden didn't defect to Russia. The US trapped him there by revoking his passport while he was traveling through on the way to Ecuador.

Why do otherwise smart people keep saying this over and over?

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24860909

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Maybe because they don't really have a story for why anyone would want to move there, other than running afoul of the same state security organizations that Russia is already opposed to. It's not exactly a huge draw for anyone who does NOT have those unusual security concerns.

It’s harder to only make a moral argument in the case of America which is generally richer than Russia. Why would anyone go to Russia apart from some moral consideration, given that Russian has nothing else to offer? I think that’s a pretty valid argument in certain circles.

Russia is super cheap for americans and there are many beautiful women. You can live for $500/mo. If you’re ok with the culture whatever nest egg you have can last a lot longer.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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The big question is what Russia has to gain from this. Is it just to troll the US?

It basically costs them nothing. It is a thumb in the eye of supposed freedom of the press/whistleblowers protected/good guys mythos of the USA. Here we have the supposed "bad guys, enemy of Team USA" housing a citizen and giving him sanctuary because all he tried to do was let the truth be known about unConstitutional activities and violations of the TLA government departments.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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By granting Snowden asylum, Russia paints the USA as anti-free speech and pro-surveillance.

To be fair, by going after Snowden the US painted itself anti-free speech and pro-surveillance.

Yep, keeping Snowden safe from the government that wants to hang him from the tallest tree just keeps the wound open and bleeding.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Snowden is "Exhibit A" for how the US is hypocritical about opposition to surveillance states. Any time the US wants to try to shame Russia at the UN Security Council, Putin can just put a picture of their newest Moscovite up on the projector.

Not to defend the intelligence apparatus in the US (and several other Western countries) but hypocrisy would imply the US is actually acting on its intelligence to target or influence its own people along a similar vein as many authoritarian countries with policies widely criticized in the US. I think that's a very low bar, and we should be able to criticize the US system even though it doesn't have these widespread…

I can't agree. They all take an oath to protect the basic premises of the US Constitution and yet here we have direct evidence that they don't care about amendments like the 4th or 1st, two very critical ones. I think it should be obvious and not hyperbole. The only agency I can see having any excuse at all to do such things is the CIA when it's operating outside of US borders. All the other agencies are basically writing their oath on a piece of toilet paper, using it for it's primary purpose, and then flushing it down the drain.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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If granted a pardon by the current or future US president, is there any chance that Russia will not let him return home?

Considering that this is mostly about Russia doing a victory lap, I don't think so. If they tried to keep him there it would kind of spoil the whole thing and tip the lie of their supposed benevolence. Much better for the PR to let him go and wish him luck. Probably even have a send off ceremony, give him some kind of medal?

Right. I don't think they'd want to waste the "good will" and good guy PR they got by protecting a US citizen from his own government.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Really really happy and glad to see this news, I hope Snowden lives a better life in there! Kudos to you, our hero!

Agreed although in the last thing I heard from Edward Snowden he was on the Joe Rogan podcast and sounded pretty unhappy with his general living situation in Russia.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Russia doesn't prevent it's citizens from traveling. What prevents it's citizens from traveling is getting a VISA to the destination country. This is granted through the local Embassy or Consolidate of destination country requiring a VISA. Permanent residency is not citizenship. Granting Permanent Residency will give him some sort of stability knowing he will not have to renew his status every year (or so) and be abl…

That's not strictly true. In Russia, unlike US or Europe, you have to show your passport to leave the country, and you can be prevented from leaving by court order.

This might be a valid statement for leaving the EU and US by land in some places of high trust (Switzerland, Norway) but certainly not a general rule by all means and certainly not by any other means (sea/air/train) where your passport or ID will be checked by at least the airlines and other companies (who act as deputies of regulations) and it will be matched against passport validity databases and other various databases (no fly lists, wanted criminals, interpol ...). And I know of several (if not all) EU countries where you have to scan/show your passport to access the departures gates in Airports (into an automated gate that scans it). Some even require such scan just to enter the airport since the last wave of terrorist attacks in 2015-2016.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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If there was a gain would you feel differently about pardoning Snowden?

A pardon is off the table. He committed treason, regardless of Monday morning quarterbacking and saying the ends justify the means. He broke the law. Either it's the law or it's not, and the fact he and Manning broke the law, regardless of what "good" people might see in it, they still broke the law.

Reporting someone else breaking the law should never be illegal. The law that says it is, is an illegitimate law. That is just playing into the hands of corruption and despotism.
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