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Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

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Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#161
Please make a list of all foreign investors in the NSA. Then make a list of foreign investors in American big tech companies. Consider the possibility that the traitor Snowden went rogue in Switzerland, and planned a ruse to wind up in Russia from, at least, 2012. A trained spy has the ability to fabricate a detailed, plausible cover story, and this typically comprises the majority of preparation for such an operation.

I'm still trying to wrap my mind around how Snowden could fancy himself as a patriot when he leaked the blueprints to our global surveillance operations. This is pure gaslighting, since nobody wants unnecessary mouth breathers. It's the ultimate leveraging of civil liberties to support internal strife and division between our institutions and the civilians served by those institutions.

Russia keeps Edward Snowden around primarily to support Active Measures. There'a a cognitive dissonance going on, one that particularly appeals to tech idealists, an idealism that most of us geeky civilians possess to some degree. What would Russia do if the roles were reversed, in terms of controlled propaganda, and retribution?

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#162

The big question is what Russia has to gain from this. Is it just to troll the US?

Perhaps you weren't alive or old enough to pay attention back when Russia ballet dancers/athletes/et. al. would come to the U. S. for the Russian Nutcracker Ballet tour, then ask for asylum. Or maybe your country-that-is-not-the-US didn't make a big deal of it, but it would be all over the news about how some ballet performer seeks asylum from The Evil Empire(tm). Of course the person would seek asylum in the U. S.,…

For reference: Baryshnikov was perhaps the most famous.[0]

[0]https://www.cbc.ca/archives/entry/1974-mikhail-baryshnikov-d...

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#163

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Yep. Obama didn’t even pardon Manning. He only commuted her sentence. The difference being that pardoning removes it from your record while commuted is just “time served.”

As much as I liked Obama, his government would take any chance at spying on others.

As a senator, Obama missed around half his votes due to campaigning. During 2008, he missed close to 2/3.

But he made sure to be back in Washington in July to vote for the FISA Amendments Act of 2008 to retroactively give immunity to AT&T for cooperating with a massive illegal wiretapping operation for the secret services. That was the point where I knew where Obama would stand on mass surveillance.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#164
post #105

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> Russia can come off like the benevolent country protecting freedom. Not even the most devoted partisan can claim this was a straight face. Russia kills journalists that speak against Putin, poison political opposition, and paint with microwave radiation any diplomat misguided enough to attempt a dialogue. It's a mafia state, pure and simple.

HN contrarians don't wanna hear that - they routinely gobble up the narrative that the US is less free than Russia and other autocracies.

  > they routinely gobble up the narrative that the US is less free than Russia and other autocracies
I have seen little or no evidence to support this contention, and plenty that does not support it.

There are certainly periodic discussions suggesting the US is less free than it's own PR would suggest, but that's not at all the same thing.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#167

Please make a list of all foreign investors in the NSA. Then make a list of foreign investors in American big tech companies. Consider the possibility that the traitor Snowden went rogue in Switzerland, and planned a ruse to wind up in Russia from, at least, 2012. A trained spy has the ability to fabricate a detailed, plausible cover story, and this typically comprises the majority of preparation for such an operatio…

It is all a scam man... Everyone basically knew what he "released" about spying - it was just suddenly normalized & authorized by the media. He is what we call "controlled opposition" - “The best way to control the opposition is to lead it ourselves.” ― Lenin.

Yes, this means that folks using Signal.org & Protonmail should think twice before considering them panacea.

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#168

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this is technically true. however, is there any case where the admission of guilt has been used to coerce testimony from a pardon recipient? is there really a practical downside to being pardoned?

> this is technically true. No, it is not even technically true. EDIT: However, as pointed out, the following statement, in my original response, was incorrect: Nor do pardons even have to be “accepted” to have effect, it's a unilateral executive power. EDIT[2]: additional response on another point previously overlooked: > however, is there any case where the admission of guilt has been used to coerce testimony from…

thank you for your knowledgable response and expertise.

are there any examples you are aware of where a person has been harmed by receiving a pardon or commutation?

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#169

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Pardon Snowden and Assange. Let all the dirt about all the high level people come out no matter how dark dirty or ugly they are, only then does US can start to establish some legitimacy on the world stage.

I don't trust they wouldn't find a way to still lock them up (note that pardons only apply to federal-level cases, not state) I also don't feel the current administration (or future ones that prescribe to Trump Doctrine) would even entertain the idea, being that hardcore military support is a large part of their narrative.

Pardon him _and_ make him general auditor of NSA operations ;) Didn’t he prove his patriotism? (I’m half joking because I know management certainly requires a network of connections and long-established friendships he doesn’t have).

Re: Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency

#170
post #132

The big question is what Russia has to gain from this. Is it just to troll the US?

By giving asylum to near #1 target of US establishment they can prove to all kind of corrupt politicians, dictators (or just plain military criminals and terrorists) who serve Russia interests that they able to protect them from US too.

Quite a cynical take, but makes sense.

I think the PR angle mentioned elsewhere also makes sense and is a rational argument for Russia's actions, but this adds another meta-level to the whole thing.

Different messages being signalled to different audiences.

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