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Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by john4532452 »

Saint_Genet wrote: post #18
john4532452 wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

duckduckgo

Not equivalent at all. DDG gathers the content they provide themselves. Video sites rely on users for content, which is why critical mass matters. Why get 100 views on peertube when you can 100000 views on Youtube?

There are a lot of legal content that is banned. I have seen videos banned on dermatologist's channel due to obscene skin rashes. Same anything that spills blood etc. When it comes to politically controversial any commercial company has to take side with ruling party and ban the videos. PeerTube is alluring to them. Critical mass is not an issue IMO

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by richardARPANET »

john4532452 wrote: post #13
richardARPANET wrote: post #12

IMO, PeerTube will never become popular due to its decentralized nature.

Why ? What are the premises that leads to your conclusion ?

In short, if I challenge my mother to "Go to PeerTube and watch the video of a Panda falling over", she would not be able to do it.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by viraptor »

richardARPANET wrote: post #32
john4532452 wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why ? What are the premises that leads to your conclusion ?

In short, if I challenge my mother to "Go to PeerTube and watch the video of a Panda falling over", she would not be able to do it.

Google "peertube", click the first link, put "panda falling over" in the search field - how is that different from YouTube? (Including the first step - lots of older people Google YouTube to go to YouTube)

The problem is the next step because there is no video of a panda falling over, but that's not related to the peertube implementation or UX.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by feralimal »

jcelerier wrote: post #28
feralimal wrote: post #16

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Centralised platforms have utterly failed us though, and have become a way to manage information centrally - someone decides what you can or can't see/read/know about. Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer.

> Decentralised is really the only option for an informed humanity. In the long run, this has to be the answer. that implies that "an informed humanity" is something that society wants. I really doubt that.

'Society' is not a real thing, even if people treat it as one. Society does not like or dislike, cannot be informed or uninformed. It is just a collective term. Like government. Its a figment in people's imagination, a term, or an idea - brought to life only because we in aggregate believe it to be true and act as if it is. Personally, I don't consider these ideas to have substance in the way they are presented.

The reality, is that 'society' is made up of individuals. Individuals are substantially real. Individuals need to choose for themselves whether they want to be informed or not, according to their conscience.

Individuals should also step out of other people's business, ie stop trying to manage 'society'! But that's another story.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by usr1106 »

cpach wrote: post #22
ordo_inf wrote: post #19

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I live in Sweden too. Is that true? I thought it was more around 4k EUR. Or am I being lowballed here...

Oh I meant in terms of cost for the employer. As they have to pay additional taxes on top of the salary. E.g. the so called “employer’s fee” and pension fees (tjänstepension) and stuff like that. BTW, if you want to go into details, feel free to shoot me an email.

The additional mandatory fees are around 30% https://sv.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arbetsgivaravgifter_i_Sverig...

So with 4 kEUR gross salary you end up at 5.2 kEUR cash costs. Then there are also non-cash costs, like 5 weeks of paid holidays (or did unions actually achieve the 6th one? It's 30 years I lived in Sweden...)

And you might need an office, equipment, and what not. So the cost can easily be 6-7 kEUR even if the developer sees only 4 kEUR on their payslip.

A few might earn (significantly) more. But that's more likely in corporations higher levels than for open source related development work.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by feralimal »

dewey wrote: post #27
feralimal wrote: post #6

This is so heart warming. Thanks to Debian and wow - Framasoft (who I'd never heard of) has a page that is so on point!! Amazing. Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. I wish there was more of this.

> Someone doing something to stop the book burning (comment deletion in the billions) and censorship at youtube. What kind of content is getting "censored" on YouTube?

It is hard to get a handle on what disappears; at least I haven't seen a straightforward breakdown.

Certainly things that talks about 911 not being an act of terrorism, Sandy Hook and other school shooting being a govt sponsored hoax, the Las Vegas shooting hoax, things relating to space being hoaxed, etc. I'm not going to provide an opinion on these things.

Whatever your perspective, the thing I would argue, is that if you want to be informed you need access to all the information and evidence, not a subset selected for you by the governing class.

It used to be a popular thing to say: "I hate what you're saying, but I'll fight for your right to say it". I agree with this. But we have been educated to think that so called 'hate speech' is a problem, whereas the real issue is the prolonged infantilisation of adults - in that we don't trust our own judgement, and would prefer an authority to do it for us.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by Sesse__ »

roenxi wrote: post #8

10,000 euros isn't a lot of money. I'm going to interpret the enthusiastic upvoting of this post as being more about what it implies when steady and serious collectives like the Debian project start signalling that something is important. There needs to be better software infrastructure and it needs to be open source (and, indeed, free). It is hard not to like Debian. It is wonderful to see that focused, principled,…

> 10,000 euros isn't a lot of money.

Yet, it would pay for 100TB+/month of bandwidth for 10–20 years at current market rates (which are bound to only go down). That should be ample for Debconf's streaming needs, without offloading the bandwidth cost onto its viewers and incurring significant complexity in the process.

Re: Debian donation for Peertube development

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Post by zaarn »

viraptor wrote: post #25
mtgx wrote: post #5

Anyone want to take bets that Google would eventually try to deprecate whatever API peertube needs because of some plausibly true "security reason" in the next few years?

I'd take a bet against, because peertube transport can be essentially implemented in the same way as video calls. As long as Google Meet works in the browser, peertube can too. (I'm not saying it works that way right now)

Risky, WebRTC isn't quite P2P, the sending peer still has to sort of spend the resources to send to all participants. It's a full mesh but you'd want something more open. You'll also have to consider DDoS protections for streamers.
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