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Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

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Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#51

I really like the lack of comment scores. Things are still sorted, so the cream floats to the top, and it made me realize I felt group-impulses based on the score. Now, there is little to no incentive to one-up someone, and I don't consider people refuted based on their score, but rather based on what I think of their comment. That last part has nurtured my curiosity, I find myself exploring thoughts I didn't on the…

This is my dilemma, and based on pg's recent poll may be part of why that vote was split. Basically, I feel that I'm interacting more intelligently but receiving less value from the conversation.

I feeling that I am contributing differently, assessing comments more on merit and adding my own thoughts less. I'm certainly voting on comments less (both up and down).

But I find I lack context in many of those discussions - when there are two different views on technical matters, I can't tell the difference in the group's opinion (especially if one is a reply to the other, so not comparable by which is 'higher' in the tree). Group think is bad, by blhack's mysql example is positive group interaction.

I also notice a similar lack of feedback on what is and isn't acceptable by the group. If a snide one-liner sits at the same level as a well-reasoned response, there's nothing to tell us all that one has 15pts in support and one has 1pt (an extreme example - other, more subtle ones, are now only noticeable if someone is greyed out for a negative score). There's no opportunity for us to learn from other's experience.

All in all, I want them back.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#52
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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does not work that way if a reply has 100 upvotes, does it? Also I love the discussion in this post since, when with Georgify ( http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2410195 ) I had tried first to seperate the upvotes with points of a comment, everyone (and yes a blanket term) had said it was a wrong thing to the extent that I had to make changes. Of course it is not my site to make decisions for the users of the site,…

His opinion is that such a bad comment would never reach +100 upvotes since, the post being devoid of additional information, people like him might downvote if they saw the numbers getting "too high".

But a really good reply to the bad comment could get 100 upvotes yet be down, right? This is my interpretation of the rules here, not sure if they are correct.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#54
How about we make it an option to just not show comment scores? Those of us (like myself) who absolutely prefer being able to see comment score can continue to see them, whereas those of you who find them a distraction don't have to view them.

Or, IDK, add a "reveal score" javascript link so that it requires a click to view the score on a given comment.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#56

Cant we have a "showcommentscores" option for displaying comment scores? Personally, I really ( really ) miss seeing comment scores, but its apparent that there are a lot of people who like HN the other way.

No, because the point of not displaying comment scores is to invite different commenting behaviour from us. If we make it an option, then we don't get the different behaviour from the whole userbase.

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#57
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post #25

People can be wrong about things, and comment scores are useful information that helps us know if they are. "that is not how mysql works" with 2 Points And "that is not how mysql works" with 102 points Are not the same piece of info. I don't see any benefit to hiding this from people. It also helps newbies understand the customs here (they can get feedback on other people's comments) edit now that I'm not on my phone…

You can see how agreeable a comment is by how far up the page it is. I think having the scores hidden is a good decision. It means that we concentrate on content rather than a 'karma game'. " "that is not how mysql works" with 2 Points And "that is not how mysql works" with 102 points Are not the same piece of info. " In my opinion, both of those comments are bad comments unless they further qualify the statement. I…

You can see how agreeable a comment is by how far up the page it is.

This comment is near the top of the page. Does that make it agreeable?

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#58
post #25

People can be wrong about things, and comment scores are useful information that helps us know if they are. "that is not how mysql works" with 2 Points And "that is not how mysql works" with 102 points Are not the same piece of info. I don't see any benefit to hiding this from people. It also helps newbies understand the customs here (they can get feedback on other people's comments) edit now that I'm not on my phone…

But two comments with equal points given at different times on the same thread are likely not equally informative; the newer one had fewer impressions but receiving the same points has a higher points to views ratio. Part of the problem with points is that people try to use them like you are -- to gauge agreement for correctness, or who 'won' a discussion or whatever -- but points are a really crappy indicator of that. Points should be normed by impressions, and then smoothed (or given credibility intervals or something).

Re: Tell HN: Please bring back comment scores

#59

http://hackerne.ws/item?id=2477527 My comment here explaining it has made me comment less has 40 points. I think a lot of people agree.

It's interesting because (although I can't explain why) it actually freed me to post more comments, and I have far lower karma (and avg/post).

So the system could lead to more posts by undesirables (me) and fewer posts by those with more knowledge (you).

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