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Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

Do you have experience as a professional writer? I'm curious, how you think a person without a degree on journalism, writing, etc, can get a job writing? I'm a software engineer, by the way. Not that I'm interested in changing my career or anything, but your comment was interesting and I do like writing, so I think it's worth knowing!

Any decent writer can make money from writing, but depending on how you want to be hired/paid then the approach could be very different. So, I guess it depends on...

1. What do you want to write? Ad copy? News? Fiction?

2. What do you bring to that subject matter that has value?

Here's a real life example: About 10 years ago, a friend of mine was a business major and had a day job in marketing. He liked to write so he spent an hour every weeknight writing on his website. That website gained a following and with that proven success, he wrote a book proposal, shopped it around with some book agents, then they shopped it around with some publishers.

They eventually got him a book deal. That book did very well and he got another book deal. Then one book was optioned for a movie. After his third book deal he was able to quit his day job. The movie option expired after two years and another studio optioned it. It has yet to be turned into a movie, but he continues to get paid by a studio who wants to prevent other studios from turning it into a movie before them. They may never actually do it though. He's written a few more books since then too.

If you're thinking of writing a book though, the book itself is not where you make the money... you make the real money on whatever the book leads to: speaking engagements, movie options (fiction or nonfiction), other gigs that come from the awareness of you through the book, etc.

I think it would be much harder to be hired as a journalist without a journalism degree, unless you demonstrate your journalism ability somewhere else first (your own website perhaps).

As a developer, I think technical documentation could use a major improvement at many companies which might let you use both writing and development skills. But again, your journey to getting paid to write starts with knowing what you want to write.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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If I had to optimize good writing, choosing between reading and writing, I'd prefer reading.

The translation of thoughts, ideas and intentions into unified written works that have the desired effect on a reader is not something you can read your way into. Obviously you can’t _not read_ but to get good at writing you have to practice. How do you organize your thinking to end up with writing that works for you? What are the invisible things you need to figure out, that the people who wrote the work you like did?

There is no choice between reading and writing, you definitely need both.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

I would also recommend Writer on Writing by Peter Clines [0]. He is very practical, which I like, while covering a lot of subjects in a funny and easy to digest way.

[0]: http://thoth-amon.blogspot.com/

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

Based on "Lock In" Scalzi should take a class on narrative.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #7

For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

Do you have experience as a professional writer? I'm curious, how you think a person without a degree on journalism, writing, etc, can get a job writing? I'm a software engineer, by the way. Not that I'm interested in changing my career or anything, but your comment was interesting and I do like writing, so I think it's worth knowing!

I agree with most of the other comments but I'd also point out that I'm pretty sure the majority of journalists I know do not have journalism degrees although most probably have a liberal arts degree of some sort. (And J School specifically is viewed by at least some as an anti-pattern.) I'd also echo another comment that, as a software engineer, there are certainly jobs at many tech companies that involve a lot of writing/speaking.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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A tip to me, to write better as an exercise- Rewrite something (a short story, a paragraph, a chapter, etc) you love, word by word, to understand the craft of it. The act of writing something vs reading it can best be reflected in this way.

Then attempt to rewrite that thing from memory, and see what you came up with and how that changes the story.

If you practice this repeatedly, you will inevitably write better. This is copying the brush-strokes of the previous greats in painting, but in prose.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

I don't suppose you have more specific links to the places where he's talked about this? I'd be interested in reading more.

The suggestion:

> 3) Don’t quit your day job.

Is interested advice. Does he actually have advice for how to do this, and maintain any sort of reasonable writing schedule? I can see the practicality, but the obvious downside is having your time squeezed into smaller and smaller pieces (especially if you're also a parent).

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #12

I have been doing morning pages for 10 years and have been attempting to to force the habit of writing for longer. I don't like writing. You definitely get better at writing, but some things just don't get easier. Same for running. Daily runner. It is the best thing I have ever done. But it sucks and never gets easier. Is there anything to get rid of this feeling of suck?

That's interesting about running - for me the feeling of discomfort only lasted a week or two at the start (this is years ago) and then i completely fell in love with it... doesn't suck, got very easy. I suppose choices of music or might help? I don't know what to say - if you run daily and still hate it, that just blows my mind. EDIT: coming back to say - maybe you just aren't a runner? Try lifting instead? I know a…

I agree with the edit. I think some people just enjoy running or lifting more.

I used to run regularly but I never looked forward to it. Even with goals like 5Ks or half marathons, I didn't enjoy the experience of improvement. I had to drag myself out of the house to do it.

I look forward to and enjoy lifting weights (deadlifts, front/back squats, presses, cleans, snatches). I enjoy the idea of being able to lift something that I wasn't able to lift a year ago or even a month ago. And, even if I added just 2.5 lbs to my personal record, it is such an accomplishment in my head. I don't drag myself out of the house for lifting. I cancel plans to ensure that I can lift.

Maybe it is the difficulty in tracking improvement. I find it hard to track how much I improved in running. To me, it isn't discreet improvements over time because so much can happen during a running session (traffic, lights, people) which can vary results. Whereas lifting, it is usually in a more controlled environment and you add discreet number of lbs/kg to the bar.

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