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Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

Do you have experience as a professional writer? I'm curious, how you think a person without a degree on journalism, writing, etc, can get a job writing? I'm a software engineer, by the way. Not that I'm interested in changing my career or anything, but your comment was interesting and I do like writing, so I think it's worth knowing!

Incidentally, Scalzi also had that problem.

He wrote Agent to the Stars to try to figure out if he wanted to write and what it was to write. http://scalzi.com/agent/

> In the summer of 1997, I was 28 years old, and I decided that after years of thinking about writing a novel, I was simply going to go ahead and write one. There were two motivations for doing so. First, I was simply curious if I could; I'd had up to that time a reasonably successful life as a writer, but I'd never written anything longer than ten pages in my life outside of a classroom setting. Two, my ten-year high school reunion was coming up, and I wanted to be able to say I'd finished a novel just in case anyone asked (they didn't, the bastards).

> In sitting down to write the novel, I decided to make it easy on myself. I decided first that I wasn't going to try to write something near and dear to my heart, just a fun story. That way, if I screwed it up (which was a real possibility), it wasn't like I was screwing up the One Story That Mattered To Me. I decided also that the goal of writing the novel was the actual writing of it -- not the selling of it, which is usually the goal of a novelist. I didn't want to worry about whether it was good enough to sell; I just wanted to have the experience of writing a story over the length of a novel, and see what I thought about it. Not every writer is a novelist; I wanted to see if I was.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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I have been doing morning pages for 10 years and have been attempting to to force the habit of writing for longer. I don't like writing. You definitely get better at writing, but some things just don't get easier. Same for running. Daily runner. It is the best thing I have ever done. But it sucks and never gets easier. Is there anything to get rid of this feeling of suck?

That's interesting about running - for me the feeling of discomfort only lasted a week or two at the start (this is years ago) and then i completely fell in love with it... doesn't suck, got very easy.

I suppose choices of music or might help? I don't know what to say - if you run daily and still hate it, that just blows my mind.

EDIT: coming back to say - maybe you just aren't a runner? Try lifting instead? I know a few people who, like you, totally hate running but love to lift heavy things.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #7

For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

Do you have experience as a professional writer? I'm curious, how you think a person without a degree on journalism, writing, etc, can get a job writing? I'm a software engineer, by the way. Not that I'm interested in changing my career or anything, but your comment was interesting and I do like writing, so I think it's worth knowing!

I’m merely paraphrasing his thoughts, as a professional writer.

In this case I do agree however. Perhaps full time journalism would be a bit different, but writing short stories, novels, or freelance news pieces is going to come down to sending it randomly to a variety of publishers and hoping they like it enough to actually speak to you.

None of that process has anything to do with your “bonafides”, it has to do with writing well and composing a story (imaginary or otherwise) and some peon at the receiving firm actually liking it enough to bump it up the chain.

While I’ve used this advice to write better (blog entries, emails, presentations, arguments, etc.) I have not even endeavored to do it professionally. It’s still been helpful for me.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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I have been doing morning pages for 10 years and have been attempting to to force the habit of writing for longer. I don't like writing. You definitely get better at writing, but some things just don't get easier. Same for running. Daily runner. It is the best thing I have ever done. But it sucks and never gets easier. Is there anything to get rid of this feeling of suck?

I found a hack for each one of those that makes me enjoy them.

For daily creative writing, I use a journaling app (happens to be Day One on macOS/iOS) and then pick a writing prompt from r/WritingPrompts if I otherwise have no other ideas. I choose one of the top three submissions.

When I started, I had no idea what to write. It was a struggle to write a paragraph. It's weird how it gets easier to create ideas. It's the same people say about improv class - overtime you get better at coming up with reactions to things.

For daily running, I finally gave in and bought bluetooth headphones after thinking they couldn't be that much better than wired headphones. Though I'm sure most people already have a BT headset solution here.

But what I do is have a podcast or audiobook I only listen to on runs. For example, maybe it's a Joe Rogan interview with someone I like. Or a thrilling work of fiction. Currently listening to Dark Matter by Blake Crouch, kinda fun (https://audiobookreviews.com/Dark-Matter/1357).

I now look forward to running. Especially if it's a good episode or book that I want more of. Sometimes, during the climax of the book or a great twist, I've even gone out to run again just to get another hour in.

I also just look at runs as some personal time. Running sucked when I was out of shape, but now they are some nice time away from the world. Oh, and if you're just running on a treadmill, there's nothing that will make that pleasant, I don't think.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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Practice makes perfect!

As William Faulkner says: “I only write when inspiration strikes. Fortunately it strikes at nine every morning.”

With writing (as with many things), there is this myth that you should only do it when inspiration compels you to write. But that is total rubbish. You need to create conditions so that inspiration will strike, and creating a habit of writing frequently will lay the groundwork for inspiration striking. Tyler Cowen, for example, talks about how he writes every morning - whether it's the weekend, Christmas, or anything else [1]. This is an example you agree with his philosophy/economics or not.

Other recommendations:

- "War of Art" is a fun little book that lays this idea out, and frames what's stopping you from creating as "resistance"[2]. In the end, the book can be summarized as: create and stick to a daily ritual of creation. If you do that long enough, you'll create something worthwhile.

- Someone else posted Writing Streak [3] which can be fun to use as well.

- Others use Julia Cameron's "The Artist's Way" [4] ("morning pages") to develop a "daily writing practice".

Honestly, they are all the same. No matter what you choose to do, the most important thing is consistency! Do it enough and you'll get to some level of ability and more than a few finished pieces (Can't guarantee a Nobel Prize in Literature, though, unfortunately :/ )

1: https://www.writingroutines.com/tyler-cowen/

2: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_War_of_Art_(book)

3: https://writingstreak.io/

4: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Artist's_Way

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #10

I'm a big fan of Scrivener (the mac version) for my writings. Not only fiction, but also academic writings, or organizing projects with custom templates. But besides that I think the post lacks a bit of information. For an article about writing, it's pretty basic and feels as if it's written and posted only to create some content and traffic for the website.

Scrivener is great. Also probably overkill for people just getting started. It's easy to lose yourself in setting up and optimizing the tools, and thinking of that as "writing work".

True there are some simpler - no distraction - tools out there, some of them are pretty great and for some this might be much better. And of course nothing beats a hand written text. It's just a pain in the a to type the whole thing after. But for me it wasn't until using Scrivener that I managed to write more than a dozen pages before giving up. Scrivener just makes it easy for me to write piece by piece. While a long Word or Pages document just gets too much and demotivates me eventually. But yeah, everyone needs to find their own tool :)

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #9

I have been doing morning pages for 10 years and have been attempting to to force the habit of writing for longer. I don't like writing. You definitely get better at writing, but some things just don't get easier. Same for running. Daily runner. It is the best thing I have ever done. But it sucks and never gets easier. Is there anything to get rid of this feeling of suck?

No pain, no gain? I think it's just learning to be uncomfortable and that it's 'part of the process'. Imagine how good you'll feel after. It's all I can come up with.

For me it's not that running is uncomfortable. It's that running is boring.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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For anyone interested in writing “for real” (professionally or as a hobby) I highly recommend John Scalzi’s blog [1]. He’s cynical, he’s funny, and above all he’s practical. Among his advice over the years a few things have really stuck with me: 1) Don’t get an MFA, it’s a waste of money. If you need a grammar class, take one. If you need more of a basis in x literary genre because that’s what you want to write in, t…

I had a lot of free time in the past and spend a lot of it writing. 99% of what someone writes will be crap. That is like 1% of the code you write actually running. It is really difficult to feel motivated to keep writing when your normal output is at such a low quality.

I'd argue that this is the number one hurdle to writing more and writing "better".

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #12

I have been doing morning pages for 10 years and have been attempting to to force the habit of writing for longer. I don't like writing. You definitely get better at writing, but some things just don't get easier. Same for running. Daily runner. It is the best thing I have ever done. But it sucks and never gets easier. Is there anything to get rid of this feeling of suck?

That's interesting about running - for me the feeling of discomfort only lasted a week or two at the start (this is years ago) and then i completely fell in love with it... doesn't suck, got very easy. I suppose choices of music or might help? I don't know what to say - if you run daily and still hate it, that just blows my mind. EDIT: coming back to say - maybe you just aren't a runner? Try lifting instead? I know a…

It definitely is the greatest feeling after it is all over.

And I lift daily as well and it is engaging than running.

Re: To write better, develop a habit of writing

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post #3

I see this perspective posted a lot, and while I think it's generally true, it's a bit vague. What do we mean by writing better? If we're referring to an improved ability to articulate thoughts and produce more text, then sure, writing more will help with that. Maybe quality will improve marginally over time. But if we're talking about actually producing writing of a higher quality, I'm afraid simply writing more can…

Perhaps it's more about creating at whatever cost and then having a chance to review and appreciate what works and what doesn't, then learn from that and adapt?

If you don't try, you can't know.

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