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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by shoreofwonder »

fasteo wrote: post #94

A quick Google search reveals that cognitive deficit seems to be a common consequence in any critically ill patient, not just Covid-19 This study[1] of just one example: Cognitive dysfunction is an important long-term complication of critical illness associated with reduced quality of life, increase in healthcare costs, and institutionalization And the numbers are certainly high: Cognitive impairment was identified i…

If you read the article, you will see that the cognitive effects of covid-19 are not only for critically ill cases. Figure 3B, specifically, shows cognitive effects of milder covid-19 cases.

According to another study, covid-19 can infect brain tissue specifically: https://www.altex.org/index.php/altex/article/view/1924

That may be why it is particularly dangerous to brains, more so than other viruses.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by shoreofwonder »

bamboozled wrote: post #149
ineedasername wrote: post #148

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please note that according to this study people who weren't critically ill still had cognitive deficits. Otherwise: Yes, other illnesses can have similar effects. Now we have another illness that piles more people on top of that. It adds to the number of people who get critically ill. It's not that Covid is worse than some other health problems, it's that Covid's impact is in addition to the ones that existed.

So COVID-19 is a special “brain wrecking” virus ?

That's an extreme way to phrase it, but possibly yes.

"Infectability of human BrainSphere neurons suggests neurotropism of SARS-CoV-2"

https://www.altex.org/index.php/altex/article/view/1924

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by bamboozled »

simonh wrote: post #169
djsumdog wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a large sample size, with the administration being a test. With the pure psychological and fear impacts of this on the world, not the mention the vast majority of people with severe cases being over 55 (people older than 65 have the potential for complications from ANY infection, viral or bacterial) ... I don't think there's a way to accurately account for the placebo/nocebo/mass-hysteria effects of t…

I don't even know what mass hysteria is supposed to mean. It conjures visions of people running screaming in the street tearing their clothes off. I suppose the nearest we've had so far were panics such as mass buying of toilet paper and cleaning products. We've had serious problems with mass delusions such as ant-vax, chem trails and pizza-gate propagating through social media since long before Covid. Of course now…

You don't think there is any merit to what the parent is saying though?

It's the first time in history we've had unregulated, largely uncensored social media involved with a _real pandemic_. People can make up anything about this situation and spread it to whoever at light speed.

Maybe it's you who are delusional if you think there hasn't been any hysteria lately, especially around Covid19?

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by diu7sieQuee9jai »

bamboozled wrote: post #164
diu7sieQuee9jai wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have been dealing with something that sounds very much like what you describe. It started a few years ago. At the moment it is manageable. I've been in and out of many many doctors' offices. Bloodworks actually indicated a recent (but past) EBV infection, that's why your post rang bells with me. Would you have pointers to how to nail this down? Introductory material or such? I have to say I really feel your descrip…

I was diagnosed with depersonalization when I was a teenager suffering from severe anxiety and depression. Sounds. Exactly the same. Especially the bit about doctors telling you that you’re ok but that you don't want to accept it. This sounds like hypochondria?

> sounds like hypochondria?

I can assure you that I have considered that. Still do. But ultimately, that would mean "learning" to not believe my own physical reality. I'm very much into intersubjectivity, but this is the one exception. That would be different if any of those doctors had actually seen me during an episode. The only time that happened however was when I was visiting friends. I had an episode while just hanging out there (holiday season stuff) and there happened to be a physician in the house when it hit. That guy never asked whether what I'm feeling was real. So it's that guy and me, vs a bunch of people who have never seen it happen.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by bamboozled »

diu7sieQuee9jai wrote: post #175
bamboozled wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I was diagnosed with depersonalization when I was a teenager suffering from severe anxiety and depression. Sounds. Exactly the same. Especially the bit about doctors telling you that you’re ok but that you don't want to accept it. This sounds like hypochondria?

> sounds like hypochondria? I can assure you that I have considered that. Still do. But ultimately, that would mean "learning" to not believe my own physical reality. I'm very much into intersubjectivity, but this is the one exception. That would be different if any of those doctors had actually seen me during an episode. The only time that happened however was when I was visiting friends. I had an episode while just…

I hope you find the help you need whatever that may be. It sounds like a really difficult thing you're going through.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by nradov »

DennisP wrote: post #128
fasteo wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fair point. I missed that part. Thanks. Now we should also research if viral infections in general have an association to cognitive deficit. I guess this will be the case.

I would be quite surprised if a cold or mild flu caused a cognitive deficit equivalent to ten years of aging, persisting after recovery.

Many viral infections including relatively mild ones can potentially cause post viral syndrome, which includes cognitive problems.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/chronic-fatig...

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by kmm »

Out_of_Characte wrote: post #146
kmm wrote: post #27

13050 people report having had covid, but only 361 had had a positive test? How reliable is it that those without a test actually had covid? What if people with lower cognitive ability are more likely to falsely report having had it. > Only a small proportion (0.76%) of participants reported having residual symptoms, Unless I'm misunderstanding something, it seems wrong to calculate that rate over all participants. S…

"Someone reporting not being ill can by definition not have residual syptoms" Ofcourse they can. This is trivially proven by the fact that alot of people lose their sense of smell after a covid infection. Even mostly asymptomatic people have reported this. "It’s not uncommon for upper respiratory infections such as the common cold or flu to affect our senses of smell and taste. In fact, it’s estimated that a temporar…

If you look at the study you'll find that of the 71235 people who reported not being ill, exactly 0 have residual symptoms. I'm assuming selecting the option would have been in impossible in the form.

If you have (or think you have) a residual symptom of covid, by definition you must have had it, or think you had it.

"Ill" here simply means having contracted the virus.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by djsumdog »

ljw1001 wrote: post #167
djsumdog wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems like a large sample size, with the administration being a test. With the pure psychological and fear impacts of this on the world, not the mention the vast majority of people with severe cases being over 55 (people older than 65 have the potential for complications from ANY infection, viral or bacterial) ... I don't think there's a way to accurately account for the placebo/nocebo/mass-hysteria effects of t…

While opinions differ on appropriate action, with some arguing for strong policy responses, there’s very little evidence of anything that merits the word “hysteria”

Really? A woman being choked in Melbourne for not wearing a mask? A man getting pepper sprayed by police at a Tim Horton's in Canada for not wearing a mask? A man getting shot in Canada, after he left the store, by police, for not wearing a mask?

The Premier of Victoria locking down the entire state with tiny measures of case numbers? Continually changing news stories and narratives? The demonetization of any challenge to the State narrative as conspiracy theory. Doctors like the ones in Bakersfield or the silence of Scott Atlas's social media.

Sweden, and everything that entails (what you think, what the media tells us, what's actually true).

We have never seen this type of response to a virus before in all of human history. The culmination of both fast travel technology with media technology is causing a massive diaspora of conflicting facts and information with media and corporate giants attempting to control every aspect of what's true and what is not.

This is absolutely mass hysteria.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by EForEndeavour »

hejja wrote: post #23
w_t_payne wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe it's because this whole situation has been ridiculously politicized, to the point where it's difficult to have a rational fact-based discussion.

...about anything. not just covid.

That's exactly what someone with your political beliefs would say!!
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