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Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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People can only see progress and have no idea where we actually are until they look back in retrospect, so I think it's more accurate to say: Here's where we were in the dark ages: -|--------------------------------------- Here's where we are now: ---|------------------------------------- Here's where people thought we were in the dark ages: ----------------------------|------------ Here's where people like to think…

Alright, but on the range from nothing to perfect, we are... Far more than 2x the dark ages. More like 1000x.

That's not what Dr. McCoy thinks.

"Dialysis? My God, is this the dark ages!"

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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But then we’re in the dark ages for everything, except maybe siege warfare. So it becomes a meaningless comment.

Life would be pretty boring if it were different don't you think? If almost everything were already figured out after just a few centuries of the scientific method and we wouldn't expect any substantial improvements to be made ever.

No, one's life would not be boring because of that. There's a difference between things being known to sience and _you_ knowing those things. Even now, you can live your full lifespan without getting bored just learning in depth what is already known to science.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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I find this weirdly amazing, as to this day I was reading some medical news and documentaries where it was said that entire human bodies were sliced by millimetre slices. So, somehow I always imagined that each part of body and tissue is 100% known and that only left is to find out what are inner workings on the nano-meter scale, deep molecular levels or genetic level. But in 2018 there was a similar news about Inter…

That we still find new structures within our own bodies should be deeply troubling to anyone in the medical sciences. I for one would be deeply ashamed if I suddenly found that bytes had a ninth bit we never suspected was there in the first place.

> I for one would be deeply ashamed if I suddenly found that bytes had a ninth bit we never suspected was there in the first place.

If anything, this shows that biology and medicine are incomprehensibly more complex than computer science, and that their practitioners are true hackers!

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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post #68

I find this weirdly amazing, as to this day I was reading some medical news and documentaries where it was said that entire human bodies were sliced by millimetre slices. So, somehow I always imagined that each part of body and tissue is 100% known and that only left is to find out what are inner workings on the nano-meter scale, deep molecular levels or genetic level. But in 2018 there was a similar news about Inter…

That we still find new structures within our own bodies should be deeply troubling to anyone in the medical sciences. I for one would be deeply ashamed if I suddenly found that bytes had a ninth bit we never suspected was there in the first place.

Particularly in 2's complement :P

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Oh dear, I should not have to labor the obvious but I will. With all the medical schools, hundreds of thousands of doctors, pathologists, diagnostic tools, xrays, MRIs, etc. etc. that we've had available in the 'modern' era of medicine - in the last 100 or so years - how the fucking hell did we miss something as 'obvious' as this? QED!

Because no one is looking for tissue that secretes saliva (not very interesting medically), coupled with the fact that this requires special PET/CT to find. You are a buffoon.

It's quite unnecessary to call people names, and also unwise, people might be tempted to mentally substitute the second person pronoun with a first person one.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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It seems almost unbelievable that in this day and age we could have missed something like this. In my opinion, it put modern medicine into perspective. I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is, and this report seems like a good validation of that notion.

> medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is

I'm not sure it's entirely on point, but ever since my mother was almost murdered by medical malpractice, and then learning about exactly how bad (frequent and severe) medical malpractice is, it's extremely hard for me to not see it this way.

Somewhere close to 300,000 people die a year from medical malpractice, give or take ~50k! Even adjusting for the elderly and comorbidities the number is still huge. I don't know why I never did, but it keep thinking I need to go buy and read Bruce Schneiers book about outliers[1]... it seems crazy how much we ignore much more concrete and repeated issues that cause death and love to focus on outliers that will probably never happen to us.

1. https://www.amazon.com/Liars-Outliers-Enabling-Society-Thriv...

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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Bytes aren't real. Bodies are, and also have people living in them a lot of the time. It shouldn't come as a surprise or a concern, I think, that the imaginary and trivially simple thing is much easier to comprehend than the category of real and vastly complex things. (Anyway, some obsolete architectures actually did use nine-bit bytes.)

>Bytes aren't real Following that reasoning, the mind isn't real either.

Yours, maybe. Mine definitely isn't. Why would I want it to be?

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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post #68

I find this weirdly amazing, as to this day I was reading some medical news and documentaries where it was said that entire human bodies were sliced by millimetre slices. So, somehow I always imagined that each part of body and tissue is 100% known and that only left is to find out what are inner workings on the nano-meter scale, deep molecular levels or genetic level. But in 2018 there was a similar news about Inter…

That we still find new structures within our own bodies should be deeply troubling to anyone in the medical sciences. I for one would be deeply ashamed if I suddenly found that bytes had a ninth bit we never suspected was there in the first place.

The thing with bytes, and everything else pertaining to computing, is that it's wholly invented by humans, so of course it's possible to obtain a complete enough mental image of things like CPUs given enough documentation. Human body, on the other hand, is literally alien technology because humans themselves didn't take any part in engineering it.

Re: Researchers discover new salivary glands in the human head

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> I've suspected for some time that medicine is actually closer to the dark ages than we like to think it is What does that even mean? Nobody's claiming that modern medicine is anywhere close to perfect but the "dark ages" medicine was Humorism, blood letting and faith healing. Surgeons didn't start washing their hands before childbirth until the 19th century. It's really weird to look back at the mind-boggling progr…

You don't have to look far in health policy to see the lunacy of modern medicine. Using nuclear radiation to "cure" cancer. Giving patients highly addictive narcotics for pain relief. Giving patients broad-spectrum antibiotics. And don't get me started on the insanity of current events, with mass over-use of disinfectants, conflicting and dubious public health guidelines (Covid 19 spreads 3M in Europe but only 6ft. i…

How do you decide to attribute something to "modern medicine" versus "The Game of Telephone, Medical Style"?

For example,

>Giving patients highly addictive narcotics for pain relief.

Is the opioid epidemic modern medicine's fault? Or is it more the fault of doctors who over-prescribe coupled with the lack of a sane healthcare system?

Also, are there viable (read: equally effective) alternatives to opioids for pain relief?

>Giving patients broad-spectrum antibiotics

Is the rise of antibiotic-resistant bacteria modern medicine's fault? Or is it more the fault of patients who do not finish out their full regimen?

And again, are there viable alternatives to broad-spectrum antibiotics?

>Covid 19 spreads 3M in Europe but only 6ft. in the USA

Distancing guidelines were meant to provide a general reference point, not magical thresholds at which COVID is incapable of passing over... They're going for a distance that is easily visualized, is situated well up on the "diminishing returns" curve, and (when combined with other measures like wearing a mask) provides an "acceptable" risk of exposure.

Sneezing, for one example, will throw respiratory droplets much further than the recommendation for social distancing.

>N95 masks don't prevent infection but surgical masks work great

I'd like to see a source for this claim if you don't mind, as a quick perusal of the FDA[0] and CDC[1][2] do not show this statement anywhere. Everything I've found states they're fairly equally effective. Everything I've found also says that N95 and surgical masks are not recommended for use outside a profession which requires them:

Q: Should I purchase personal protective equipment such as facemasks or N95 respirators for me and my family?

A: No. Surgical masks and N95s need to be reserved for use by health care workers, first responders, and other frontline workers whose jobs put them at much greater risk of acquiring COVID-19. The cloth face coverings recommended by CDC are not surgical masks or N95 respirators. Surgical masks and N95s are critical supplies that must continue to be reserved for health care workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by CDC.

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CDC does not recommend using masks for source control if they have an exhalation valve or vent.

Masks are not surgical masks or respirators. Currently, those are critical supplies that should continue to be reserved for healthcare workers and other medical first responders, as recommended by current CDC guidance. Masks also are not appropriate substitutes for them in workplaces where surgical masks or respirators are recommended or required and available.

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CDC also links to a study[3] that found "Surgical and N95 masks were equally effective in preventing the spread of PCR-detectable influenza". There are plenty of related studies which come to the same conclusion.

>viruses don't spread while sitting but spread while standing in a restaurant

Again, how is this a "modern medicine" issue, or a "conflicting and dubious public health guideline"? They're not saying "the virus won't spread as long as you're sitting down!", they're saying "if you fucks have to go out, at least try to stay apart for everyone else's sake".

[0] https://www.fda.gov/emergency-preparedness-and-response/coro.... [1] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/prevent-getting-si... [3] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/19522650/

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