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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Has the mechanism by which the virus affects smell been identified? Could this be related at all? Mysterious neurological symptoms (some of which persist after recovery) are more concerning than the current mortality rate IMO. Great to see studies like this being done.

Yes. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-covid-19-causes-loss-smell

More precisely, yes then no.

Yes the smell effect is studied, no it's not neurological.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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> the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group So this affects almost nobody then, and is probably caused by the sedatives, immobilization and ventilator organ damage, aside from corona.

Not sure why you’re getting downvoted - here’s a page about post-intensive care syndrome, on the website of the society for critical care medicine, that’s concordant with what you said: https://www.sccm.org/MyICUCare/THRIVE/Post-intensive-Care-Sy...

I think it was the 'almost nobody' crack. Everybody is somebody.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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From the conclusion: "The scale of the observed deficits was not insubstantial; the 0.57 SD global composite score reduction for the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group was equivalent to the average 10-year decline in global performance between the ages of 20 to 70 within this dataset. It was larger than the mean deficit of 512 people who indicated they had previously suffered a stroke (-0.40SDs) and the 1016 who…

> the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group So this affects almost nobody then, and is probably caused by the sedatives, immobilization and ventilator organ damage, aside from corona.

There is some evidence that anesthetics can cause cognitive impairment.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6443620/

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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It must be hell to have a bunch of suited figures tell you "we're putting you to sleep, hope to see you on the other side"... and then wake up intubated.

I have a screwed up neck. WHen I had surgery for a different part of my body I had to be awake while they "put the tube in". You are on an operating table with an anesthetic in your throat, your arms are restrained, then these masked (which would seem more normal now, I guess) and gowned figures start forcing tube down your throat while you try to "swallow it" and breath through your nose... there's a point where you…

It is traumatic for sure. The best coping method I can think of is to remember that these are professionals providing the best possible care for you using practices that have been refined over decades. Everything they do is in an effort to eventually make you feel better.

I had a gastroscopy which involves putting a tube down your gullet and it was pretty unpleasant but not too bad all things considered. However I can only imagine having a tube down your windpipe would feel incredibly distressing.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's w…

> But things like autoimmune issues, persistent 15-year brain fog (I'd rather call it frosted glass layer) which randomly clears once a month to remind me how nice it is to be able to think straight I've been experiencing something similar for the past 5 years: brain fog (frosted glass is a much better way of putting it.) and some short term memory issues. The doctors put me through a battery of tests to find...that…

Sorry to hear this. I cured mine with a CPAP machine. I had to be tested with apnea twice bc the first one came out ok but i wasnt convinced.

In any case, i hope you feel better

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Well, the fact that someone was uable to breathe on their own also suggests that the virus may have caused a lack of oxygen to the brain. In such circumstances brain damage is quite likely, and then the disease would indeed be the cause. Fortunately, the group of people that end up on ventilators is not really that large, and I can imagine minor brain damage would still be preferable to death in many of those cases.…

People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's w…

Post viral fatigue syndrome has been observed following infection with many different viruses which "include Coxsackie B viruses, EBV, CMV, influenza, various arboviruses, HHV-6, and HTLV -1 and 2".

https://www.sciencedirect.com/topics/medicine-and-dentistry/...

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's w…

I have been dealing with something that sounds very much like what you describe. It started a few years ago. At the moment it is manageable. I've been in and out of many many doctors' offices. Bloodworks actually indicated a recent (but past) EBV infection, that's why your post rang bells with me. Would you have pointers to how to nail this down? Introductory material or such? I have to say I really feel your descrip…

Sounds similar to Lyme disease as well. I think the body deals with some persistent infections in a similar way, but I've also observed that there is little interest in researching or treating these conditions.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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On the subject of side/long term effects of covid: I've heard, second-hand from doctors/physicians, that the long term effects of covid are not necessarily that bad compared to e.g. the flu. The argument being that: 1. covid has been one of the most studied viruses of this kind, so that you have good chances of stumbling upon lots of size effects, simply due to the sheer size of scrutiny. 2. a bad flu also can yield…

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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> But things like autoimmune issues, persistent 15-year brain fog (I'd rather call it frosted glass layer) which randomly clears once a month to remind me how nice it is to be able to think straight I've been experiencing something similar for the past 5 years: brain fog (frosted glass is a much better way of putting it.) and some short term memory issues. The doctors put me through a battery of tests to find...that…

Sorry to hear this. I cured mine with a CPAP machine. I had to be tested with apnea twice bc the first one came out ok but i wasnt convinced. In any case, i hope you feel better

Thanks - already had/have a CPAP machine, so unfortunately that's not it.
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