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Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by [deleted] »

xd wrote: post #15
redis_mlc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group So this affects almost nobody then, and is probably caused by the sedatives, immobilization and ventilator organ damage, aside from corona.

Also, I had a brief look over the paper but couldn't find anything to control for isolation since lockdown .. surely this would of had an effect on peoples cognition. On a side note, maybe it's just me but I keep seeing comments that don't follow a "politically" accepted view point, being down vote like yours.

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Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by giantDinosaur »

pedro-guimaraes wrote: post #7

Much is still to be discovered about the virus, science only knows the effects after less than 1 year. The question is, what could long-term effects of this virus? (let's in 10-20 years)

This statement is the 'needs more research' of pandemics, and should be banned from public discourse...!

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by jmull »

xd wrote: post #15
redis_mlc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group So this affects almost nobody then, and is probably caused by the sedatives, immobilization and ventilator organ damage, aside from corona.

Also, I had a brief look over the paper but couldn't find anything to control for isolation since lockdown .. surely this would of had an effect on peoples cognition. On a side note, maybe it's just me but I keep seeing comments that don't follow a "politically" accepted view point, being down vote like yours.

I don't know why people downvote things, but in this case I would hope it's because the previous comment was pretty superficial. Whether the covid causes cognitive decline through causing the use of a ventilator, sedatives, and immobilization or through some other mechanism still means it causes cognitive decline. So there's a basic logic flaw. Also, quite a large number of people have been put on ventilators due to covid-19, not "almost nobody". That's just an incorrect assertion. You'd like to attribute the downvoting to politics, but given the quality issues, I think that's a hard claim to support.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by neuronic »

fogihujy wrote: post #9
redis_mlc wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the hospitalised with ventilator sub-group So this affects almost nobody then, and is probably caused by the sedatives, immobilization and ventilator organ damage, aside from corona.

Well, the fact that someone was uable to breathe on their own also suggests that the virus may have caused a lack of oxygen to the brain. In such circumstances brain damage is quite likely, and then the disease would indeed be the cause. Fortunately, the group of people that end up on ventilators is not really that large, and I can imagine minor brain damage would still be preferable to death in many of those cases.…

People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's what they tell you when they don't know shit.

There are so many bodily issues that arose after my Epstein-Barr infection, it's not funny at all. I can absolutely lead a normal life and am active and athletic.

But things like autoimmune issues, persistent 15-year brain fog (I'd rather call it frosted glass layer) which randomly clears once a month to remind me how nice it is to be able to think straight, or full-body-numbing attacks in the middle of a gas station. The first 5 years after the disease I regularly felt like passing out. Later I just got dizzy and learned to control it using water and temperature changes (cold water in back of your neck!).

I still took on the anxiety story and did something against it. It helped me in many ways but not with post-viral syndrome. It's real and it sucks but it's not being taken seriously at all.

I am afraid, some COVID survivors are in for a new life which is different in just the right (but minor) ways to drive you insane. Body just doesn't feel the same as before.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by shultays »

xd wrote: post #19
noja wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Not sure why you’re getting downvoted I think he overlooked that the people were hospitalized and on ventilators because they had covid.

But it's still an effect of the treatment. If you perform a study on people whom have been ill you're going to get results that show all the symptoms of illness.. the study could have been done with any illness and likely show cognitive decline.

symptoms of illness is the illness itself. Ignoring these symptoms of covid or results of the treatment is saying something like "bullets don't kill people, it ruptures blood vessels and you die due to loss of blood"

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by baxtr »

What I’m wondering: people talk about long term effects and we have 9-10 months of data. I remember I had a cold couple of years back and couldn’t taste nor smell for 3 months or so. What about long term effects for people who have gone through other diseases like the flu for example?

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by flattone »

baxtr wrote: post #36

What I’m wondering: people talk about long term effects and we have 9-10 months of data. I remember I had a cold couple of years back and couldn’t taste nor smell for 3 months or so. What about long term effects for people who have gone through other diseases like the flu for example?

Also what about things like haircuts. And other stuff. Burnt toast. Hang nails.

I apologize. I never get more than 4 hours of Sleep. And this seems like a friendly jab over wanting to compare the flu to a different virus.

Pure humor from an also honest place.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by rtp »

neuronic wrote: post #34
fogihujy wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well, the fact that someone was uable to breathe on their own also suggests that the virus may have caused a lack of oxygen to the brain. In such circumstances brain damage is quite likely, and then the disease would indeed be the cause. Fortunately, the group of people that end up on ventilators is not really that large, and I can imagine minor brain damage would still be preferable to death in many of those cases.…

People are unable to worry about or comprehend the effects that happen right NOW. I am a staunch believer in post-viral syndrome as I experienced it first hand following an Epstein-Barr infection (mono) but aside from a handful of researchers nobody cares at all. For most physicians, it isn't even within the realm of possibilities when you come to them with random maladies. Boom, now you have anxiety because that's w…

It's amazing how people think a virus that lives latently in B cells and epithelial cells, and is strongly associated with various forms of cancer among a big helping of autoimmune disorders, is incapable of causing post-viral syndromes. No, it must be anxiety, of course!

EDIT: Just because a disease makes you frustrated because you can't really do anything about it except empathize and listen, doesn't mean you can just slap the anxiety band-aid on it and call it a day.

Re: Cognitive deficits in people who have recovered from Covid-19

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Post by maxlamb »

Liquix wrote: post #24

Has the mechanism by which the virus affects smell been identified? Could this be related at all? Mysterious neurological symptoms (some of which persist after recovery) are more concerning than the current mortality rate IMO. Great to see studies like this being done.

Yes. https://hms.harvard.edu/news/how-covid-19-causes-loss-smell
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