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I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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Encarta (1993-2009) was a big inspiration to start the Conzept encyclopedia project. Still much more to do to reach the audio-visual wow-factor and sheer fun that Encarta had, especially for children. Conzept is an attempt to create an encyclopedia for the 21st century. A modern topic-exploration tool based on Wikipedia, Wikidata, Open Library, GBIF and other information sources. Please check it out here: https://con…

> A modern topic-exploration tool based on Wikipedia, Wikidata, Open Library, GBIF and other information sources. I find Wikipedia is increasingly relying upon meta-circular authority. Ie, a Wiki article will cite an expert who cites another expert who cites Wikipedia, and so ultimately the Wikipedia article is using itself as an authoritative source. Or the authority is fragile. Ie, the wiki article will cite a trus…

> I find Wikipedia is increasingly relying upon meta-circular authority.

It also relies upon authority by fiat:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biden%E2%80%93Ukraine_conspira...

> The Biden–Ukraine conspiracy theory is a series of false allegations which assert that 2020 Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden and his son Hunter Biden engaged in corrupt activities while the former was Vice President of the United States and the latter worked for the Ukrainian gas company Burisma. The conspiracy theory centers around the allegation that then-Vice President Biden withheld loan guarantees to pressure Ukraine into firing a prosecutor so as to prevent a corruption investigation into Burisma and to protect his son. Although Biden did withhold government aid to pressure Ukraine into removing the prosecutor, this was the official foreign policy of the United States government as it believed the prosecutor to be too lenient in investigating corruption; this position was also supported by American allies. A New York Post article published in October 2020 brought renewed attention to the allegations; its veracity was strongly questioned elsewhere.

These statements are "problematic" in a number of ways, and the whole situation (of which this is just one example) is that most people seem to believe that what is recorded on Wikipedia is necessarily factual. It's bad enough that we have this same problem with the media, but at least some people realize that the media is biased. Wikipedia on the other hand, is more of a "record of history" and is typically considered (despite "official" (unread) policies advising otherwise) to be an unbiased ~authoritative snapshot of the state of reality.

The fact of the matter is, the complete truth of what has occurred here is unknown, and it's quite interesting from a psychological perspective how otherwise logical people are very uncomfortable with that truth. in a database column is accepted by the mind with no resistance - in the real world is very often rejected extremely strongly by the very same mind. It would be interesting to see what mankind might achieve if we were able to find a way to not turn our eyes (and minds) away from such phenomena when they manifest.

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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I don't know if miss Encarta but it does point out that in some ways Wikipedia feels like a step backward. Sure, wikipedia has more topics but where's a video? Where's the interactive explanations? Wikipedia feels like a 25yr old website. I know some people like that but it feels like a missed opportunity and stagnation to me

> Wikipedia feels like a 25yr old website.

This is a feature. I don't want a 2020 HTML5 bloated wikipedia just to read some text.

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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Before Internet and Wikipedia was a thing (at least in Argentina), there was Encarta. It helped me through many of my school projects :)

I have fond memories of it. Great piece of software. I don't think it's needed in the modern world though, but who knows. Maybe in countries where internet is still not accessible.

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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I love Encarta. Growing up with limited access to internet, Encarta was the world of information for me. It used to be so fun going through random articles, finding some multimedia which explained stuff with animations like for Chernobyl accident, felt so amazing at that time. The quality of content was amazing.

Also, the games added such a new dimension to an encyclopedia where you wanted to learn more.

Encarta is definitely the best MS software product I have used, apart from maybe some games.

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikipedia certainly does have animations and videos. Here's a list of literally every article with a video, there are over 5,000 of them at least: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Articles_containing_v... For comparison, Encarta had "over 300 videos". And while it's not interactive, there are definitely animations on Wikipedia to help understand concepts, like the top of the article on pi shows a circle unrolli…

There actually are two methods of interactivity on Wikipedia right now, the Graph extension [0] and Kartographer. [1] With the first you can create charts, timelines, and histograms, based on Vega. With the second, you can add points on maps (with images), have shapes, and outlines, from OpenStreetMap. Unfortunately, both aren't used as much as they should because most are comfortable using other tools and baking thi…

I also forgot to mention interactive 3D models in STL format. [0]

There's also a user who has done amazing work [1] with SVG files, but these mainly only work if you view the original file, as MediaWiki generates a static PNG thumbnail for SVG files (silly, but maybe was needed at some point for proper support).

[0]: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:3D

[1]: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Cmglee/svg

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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post #83
post #60

I also remember the CD-ROM era (and before that). It was also the time when software just worked. There was no other way. The content on those CDs was permanent. Software rarely needed an updated, it didn't called home with telemetry and it didn't needed a constant internet connection to work. There wasn't subscription models for most of the software. So you want to do some 3D renderings? Just install this CD with 3D…

You clearly never had to set up a sound card for a DOS game (oh the joys of autoexec.bat) or had to install your own networking drivers just to get TCP/IP support.

GP is talking about the Windows 95/98 era, not the DOS era. By that point, all of that was history.

Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I remember from those times : even knowing there was an encyclopedia on the school library computer, I would not use it, because it just sounded impractical. I would need to ask for permission to use the computer, then wait for it to start, then figure how to do a search, while the competitive proposition was just picking the encyclopedia volume for the correct letter and finding my page! How much a few dec…

We had a very permissive culture around the PC equipment, pretty much if a computer was free you could use it. There was no authentication or use policies. That did change towards the end of my schooling when networking and internet access was finally rolled out. Novell Netware ruined everything!

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Re: I miss Microsoft Encarta (2019)

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One thing I remember from those times : even knowing there was an encyclopedia on the school library computer, I would not use it, because it just sounded impractical. I would need to ask for permission to use the computer, then wait for it to start, then figure how to do a search, while the competitive proposition was just picking the encyclopedia volume for the correct letter and finding my page! How much a few dec…

There's still one thing that I absolutely prefer looking for a page in a book rather than searching online, and that's recipes for cooking. I can't stand scrolling through pages of people telling me about the history of this thing they cooked while ads are popping up to get to the actual recipe. And if anyone has any suggestions for better places online to look for recipes, I'd be happy to have them! I like Cooking f…

I don't mind the useless life story that accompanies every recipe these days. It's easy enough to scroll to the bottom of the page. I virtually never make any given recipe as-is anyway, and if it's something I'm going to make repeatedly I have my own document template that I use to write up the recipe and save it locally.

I can't remember the last time I used a paper recipe, and I find it strange to attribute a preference to paper to an easily avoidable side-effect of internet recipe blogging.

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