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Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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The challenge even when "VCs do what China does and start pouring money into hard stuff, not just fluffy software" is that like Feynman's There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom observation, there is plenty of innovation room in the intricacies of "low-end", "low-margin" manufacturing. Divorcing that operational, get-your-hands-dirty aspect from your business closes off insights that arise from the ongoing software-eats…

It's amazing that pretty much every economist, journalist, business school professor and overpaid McKinsey consultant miss this critical point about how innovation works.

Indeed. And it is even more amazing that "staunch free market advocates" among this leadership cadre mostly do not see the parallels between evolution and capitalism. And they blithely praise the innovative superiority of capitalism in one meeting, then create elaborate narratives how selling off "non-core" capabilities shrinking their innovation Petri dish agar surface area increases innovation in the next meeting.

Somehow the innovation spurred by capitalism from the freewheeling, chaotic free market is suddenly amenable when it crosses the corporate threshold to sprints, top-down grand corporate architectural visions, and five-year plans. I wish as much as anyone innovation wasn't such a massively, messily, wasteful, organic process. But after decades of experience bashing my head against the wall with everyone else trying the top-down, bottle-it-up-and-sell-it hopeium, I've been pleasantly surprised with "letting go" and letting the "floor" mix it up, take input from it, feed back into it, and create a constantly-boiling stew of ideas. The finance management part in me has to be locked away in the padded cell here and there for their own good, but they and I can't argue with the results.

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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The real shitshow starts when the CFO becomes the CEO (as is usually the case), so Intel is pretty much dead as is US tech innovation on this scale (until VCs do what China does and start pouring money into hard stuff, not just fluffy software).

It’s natural for large tech companies to enter the harvesting business when they can’t innovate anymore. Look at IBM. They just can’t innovate, so they do all kinds of financial engineering on the back of a robust customer audit program. Eventually that money gets recycled into funding earlier stage companies. (If a company buys back stock, the old investors have to put the money somewhere)

> Look at IBM. They just can’t innovate

Indeed. But they shot themselves in the foot when they replaced their experienced, expensive staff with low-wage Indian workers (not to pick specifically on Indians... there are certainly Pakistanis and other Asian cultures represented in that cohort).

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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It’s natural for large tech companies to enter the harvesting business when they can’t innovate anymore. Look at IBM. They just can’t innovate, so they do all kinds of financial engineering on the back of a robust customer audit program. Eventually that money gets recycled into funding earlier stage companies. (If a company buys back stock, the old investors have to put the money somewhere)

IBM has a full hardware/software stack, cloud computing and consulting services. What is your basis the claim?

Have you seen their customers vs their competitors’ customers? And Watson is a joke.

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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> "Intel is pretty much dead as is US tech innovation on this scale" The US still has Apple, Nvidia, Tesla, etc. All doing world-leading stuff. I would say US tech is far from dead.

and Tesla

Tesla has sold fewer than a million cars since 2012. That’s a rounding error, and unless they scale up, they will remain a rounding error. Of course that has nothing to do with their overvalued market cap.

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The challenge even when "VCs do what China does and start pouring money into hard stuff, not just fluffy software" is that like Feynman's There's Plenty of Room at the Bottom observation, there is plenty of innovation room in the intricacies of "low-end", "low-margin" manufacturing. Divorcing that operational, get-your-hands-dirty aspect from your business closes off insights that arise from the ongoing software-eats…

It's amazing that pretty much every economist, journalist, business school professor and overpaid McKinsey consultant miss this critical point about how innovation works.

I think the consultants get paid for it, which helps.

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s natural for large tech companies to enter the harvesting business when they can’t innovate anymore. Look at IBM. They just can’t innovate, so they do all kinds of financial engineering on the back of a robust customer audit program. Eventually that money gets recycled into funding earlier stage companies. (If a company buys back stock, the old investors have to put the money somewhere)

> Look at IBM. They just can’t innovate Indeed. But they shot themselves in the foot when they replaced their experienced, expensive staff with low-wage Indian workers (not to pick specifically on Indians... there are certainly Pakistanis and other Asian cultures represented in that cohort).

Was it their development team?

Re: Intel exits memory business, sale to Hynix for $9B

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America is the world power least worried about physical geography and locations if and when the shooting starts. 2 oceans as moats, plenty of oil and natural resources on its home turf, and all potential flashpoints on the other side of the world. I'm sure America would love to give WW2 another run, especially considering how last time it shook them out of the great depression and devastated everyone else's industria…

> America is the world power least worried about physical geography and locations if and when the shooting starts. 2 oceans as moats, plenty of oil and natural resources on its home turf, and all potential flashpoints on the other side of the world. Can you grow semiconductors on corn plants? Big moats don't help with embargoes, and if your economy is based on international trade (like the globalization crowd has cha…

> Can you grow semiconductors on corn plants?

Intel has 4 fabs in the US

Global Foundries has 3

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