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The discord community operates like a cult (sound familiar, Rust community?) and any criticisms or anything not exuberantly positive results in a flame war.
I saw all of that happen several times so far with the community and it's ultimately what drove me away from the project altogether.
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Can you please provide an example of Zig "working out the dependency"? I'm struggling to make sense of your comment.
I could write a concrete example that will work in zig and fail in common lisp, but maybe this link is enough? https://ziglang.org/#Order-independent-top-level-declaration...
(Not at op, who does write tests:) You are writing tests, right? ;)
Zig has very little focus on safety and has had several regressions related to security and correctness, most of which Andrew has said he doesn't care about as much. This concerns me greatly. The discord community operates like a cult (sound familiar, Rust community?) and any criticisms or anything not exuberantly positive results in a flame war. I saw all of that happen several times so far with the community and it…
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(By the way, Hacker News doesn't support markdown; indent your code by two spaces, rather than using fences. https://news.ycombinator.com/formatdoc ) Just a few small things: > This is a huge one for me, and I really don't understand why Rust didn't jump on this earlier. Doing this well is not easy. Exposing a full language at compile time isn't a difficult feature, but doing compile-time execution in a sound, safe w…
> doing compile-time execution in a sound, safe way is not simple. For example, cross compilation becomes more of a thing. It is easy to accidentally break the type system. Why? I don't think I've ever seen a concrete example of why this isn't simple (but I'm not really a compiler person, so there might be!). I can imagine plenty of ways of doing Bad Things, like adding compiler flags based on what day it is, but I c…
I'm sure this happened earlier in the history of English. Of course, humans are much more forgiving than compilers.
Zig has very little focus on safety and has had several regressions related to security and correctness, most of which Andrew has said he doesn't care about as much. This concerns me greatly. The discord community operates like a cult (sound familiar, Rust community?) and any criticisms or anything not exuberantly positive results in a flame war. I saw all of that happen several times so far with the community and it…
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I actually think NPM is an amazing tool. When comparing to many other dependency management solutions, NPM: 1. has a nicer user experience 2. gives a lot of confidence that a project will be reproducible across environments, with only a package.json file Cargo is pretty close, but NPM is the gold standard for dependency management as far as I'm concerned.
Last time I used NPM, it tended to download megabytes of dependencies for each project . If you used a package in, say, 10 different projects, you had 10 copies of it. Did they solve that issue?
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I could write a concrete example that will work in zig and fail in common lisp, but maybe this link is enough? https://ziglang.org/#Order-independent-top-level-declaration...
Oh, so is the point that in Zig, functions with comptime parameters are more or less identical to regular functions in that regard?
Zig has very little focus on safety and has had several regressions related to security and correctness, most of which Andrew has said he doesn't care about as much. This concerns me greatly. The discord community operates like a cult (sound familiar, Rust community?) and any criticisms or anything not exuberantly positive results in a flame war. I saw all of that happen several times so far with the community and it…
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> If Zig can settle in the niche that C is used for today That niche is "code that needs to be portable to any system with a C compiler", or "... to a particular system that only has a C compiler" so i am not sure it can. There are lots of projects using C that aren't in that niche, but i don't believe there is a good reason for any of them to be using C over C++ these days. It's either history, inertia, or Luddism.
> ... for any of them to be using C over C++ these days. That's the old (and frankly: tiresome) mindset that C++ is a successor and improvement of C. After using "modern C" (as in C99 or later) for a while it becomes quite obvious that this isn't the case anymore, instead C++ was a fork of C and developed into a very different direction (including developing the original C subset into a non-standard C dialect). Espec…
It really isn't. It's based on comparing the languages as they exist today. C++ is vastly more productive.