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My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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Let's not forget: in the greater scheme of things, chatbots really are still in their infancy. For those old enough to remember, picture the computer interfaces of yesteryear - say, the 80s - and ask the people who had to work with them back then how many of them enjoyed the experience. And I'm not talking about computer scientists and the likes, I mean your average office worker.

Fast forward to 2020, and you cannot throw a rock with closed eyes without hitting some kind of "computer". Smartphones, tablets, laptops, everywhere. There is not just one factor that made this change come about but a lot: arguably, computers are generally more useful today than they were back in the day, and this is part capability and part usability.

Both seem to still lack quite a bit in today's chatbots. I think a big hurdle has already been taken, though, by turning to voice rather than typing as the primary input modality. This wasn't possible just a decade ago because automatic speech recognition just didn't work well enough. But there's still lots to be desired today.

Using a conversational UI where a simple button or a few clicks would suffice is utterly useless. As is, say, having your bot read out to you a long list of movies when you ask "what's showing in the theater tonight"? Traditional GUIs are much superior here.

No, voice based interactions shine when they are about complex matters. Stuff that is too difficult or too cumbersome to express with other means. Perhaps because there a lot of different options combined in your query. Or because some inference is required on the chatbot side. Or because it's not a single query at all but -- shock! -- an actual dialog that will get you to your goal.

A small and completely made-up example:

    User: I'm meeting Dana for dinner at 7, and perhaps we'd like to go and see a movie afterwards. What's on tonight?
    System: Where are you having dinner?
    User: In the West End.
    System: Super Marvels is playing in the Broadway at 9.
    User: Oh, no, Dana hates super hero movies.
    System: I see. What does she like?
    User: I don't know - comedies, I guess. Thrillers, maybe.
    System: Well, the Broadway is also showing Dark Waters at 9.
So, this is obviously your standard ticket purchasing scenario, and you can do this perfectly fine today using any standard form-based app or website. But the point is that you don't want to go through the hassle of setting all the right parameters, such as time, location, genre etc. by hand -- especially when you're not really sure about some of them.

Compared to a dialog like the above, today's conversational UI's are very simplistic. We're still with at least one leg in the stone ages. But there is real potential here but there's also a real risk that we'll never get there because once conversational UIs get a bad rep, then it's over.

Like with any technology, if it is over-hyped with respect to what it can actually deliver (currently), it won't last. I think that is what the author of the above article has experiences. High expectations, low delivery.

I, for one, hope that we can hold on and that conversational UI's won't go the way of 3D TV (goodbye...) or VR (niche), but at this point, I wouldn't know which way to put my money on.

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

#62

Why does my mouse cursor disappear when I move it over this website? It makes it virtually impossible to use...

custom cursor; dark bg - dark cursor; so yea; see how the cursor transitions when on text by flipping sideways to blue; idk I thought its 'cute';

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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I absolutely despise those pop-up "Can I help you" boxes on product websites (usually Intercom). It completely disrupts my flow as a reader in trying to understand the product. That attention disruption got so bad I blocked Intercom and their ilk via injected CSS rules. I really want to take it a step further and write a plug in to interface a chat bot with the human on the other end and waste their time so sites beg…

The only ones I really despise are the ones that pop open as soon as you open the page - I haven't even read the damned page title yet, so no , I would not like to ask any questions or tell you anything about my requirements! Just.. go away! Actually, the ones I really despise with a burning passion are the ones like above, but which follow you around the whole site like some kind of demented Clippy 2.0 - you close t…

Yep, It's not just Clippy, it's anything that I would want to dismiss and then it doesn't persist.

https://coworker.com has this annoying banner at the moment advertising their global pass.

Nice X to close. I refresh page and it's back. If I clear my cookies or my adblock causes a javascript error, then fair enough. Otherwise, persist my decisions please.

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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I'd just like to point out how absolutely terrible that simulated mouse cursor on that site is. Feels very sluggish and weird. Please don't do this.

Looks like it's trying to emulate how the cursor works on iPadOS. I can appreciate the experiment, and I think the execution here is quite good (doesn't feel sluggish at all to me). However, I agree that this just isn't something websites should do.

On an iPad, the site shows it's own context sensitive cursor below the iPadOS cursor, for extra weirdness.

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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Relate to OP here. I also built a travel chat bot[1] (now dead) in early stages of chatbot boom. Initially it felt like conversational UX is so much better. But very soon I realized I myself was not using what I built. What we don't realize is how efficient we have become using websites through that navigating through chatbot UX definitely feels waste of time.

[1] https://www.itnry.com

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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I am an engineer at a profitable chatbot company (HelloTars).

I can't entirely agree with the points mentioned in this article.

Yes, a chatbot is not ready to replace human support.

However, there are other areas where they show good results.

We have been helping customers with lead generation chatbots for the last four years.

What we have learnt is customers would instead engage with a chatbot than filling up lengthy forms. Because chatbot nudges users to give information.

Also in websites where you have a lot of information to convey, ex: banks, mortgages, etc. again chatbot makes sense. Because it helps give information that's selective to the customer. And they don't have to struggle through a lot of information presented to them at once.

We have customers who use our chatbot link directly on google ads.

We have also noticed our customers maturing over time and demanding more functionalities on the chatbots.

To summarize, no chatbots are not dead. They are only beginning. However, you need to narrow down on a specific problem and solve it.

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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post #66

I am an engineer at a profitable chatbot company (HelloTars). I can't entirely agree with the points mentioned in this article. Yes, a chatbot is not ready to replace human support. However, there are other areas where they show good results. We have been helping customers with lead generation chatbots for the last four years. What we have learnt is customers would instead engage with a chatbot than filling up length…

> To summarize, no chatbots are not dead. They are only beginning.

Yes, there will likely be more chatbots in the future. And yes, THEN they will be usable. But no, it's not a good user experience yet. If a website needs a chatbot they:

- Didn't put enough effort in organizing the website

- Don't want to spend money on real support

- Hate their customers

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

#68
Most chatbots are just bad: either just trying to get your mail-address because no support person is online or being a convoluted menu in the tiniest window.

It would be fair to rule those out and look at more conversational chatbots that provide good guidance through form filling, understand natural language and maybe are even hybrids that can be taken over by humans when they fail themselves.

A simple form of the hybrids is some pre-processing. The bot says "hello" and "whats your problem" or identifies your account and than human support staff jumps right in to the action.

Re: My chatbot is dead – Why yours should probably be too

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post #66

I am an engineer at a profitable chatbot company (HelloTars). I can't entirely agree with the points mentioned in this article. Yes, a chatbot is not ready to replace human support. However, there are other areas where they show good results. We have been helping customers with lead generation chatbots for the last four years. What we have learnt is customers would instead engage with a chatbot than filling up length…

> chatbots are not dead

Yep, I agree. However, even in the wake of GTP-3, maybe it is time to abandon the term Chatbot. Essentially "chatbots" are a tool to deal with unstructured data/content. At least this is how I see them: a better search interface.

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