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Thanks, those do look like they are attempting to play like humans, but neither says how that claim was tested. How would you test the their ability to imitate humans?
By cheating using them and not getting called out anymore than a human player of the same elo.
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I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS. So, you agree with me then? My friend was in the finals in Beijing and in London, top-6. In London half a second from a medal. Yes doping would help immensely but those guys have too much honor to do this. No, there is no money behind. He gets sponsoring in form of a boat which is sponsored by the manufacturer. The rest of his life's expens…
>I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS True in Curling i never heard of doping. And trust me even your friend would not told you if he takes doping (no saying he did). And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/19/sports/olympics/olympic-c...
Your feelings are not in congruence with facts.
> And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples.
Again, evidence or it did not happen. You are casting unproven claims as facts. That gives the impression that the default is an athlete is doped, and _that's_ what's unfair.
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Morally, taking that hormone is still wrong. And so should it be according to the rules too. If you now answer that it's unfair that the person with naturally occurring higher levels can have it but those with lower levels can't "level" the playing field, well, tough luck. That's just the lottery that gives some people an advantage in certain sports. We all accept that some people are naturally tall and therefore hav…
So why do we have different leagues for men and women then?
In some sports you even have different weight classes. Rowing has 2, wrestling has 6 (olympic), boxing has 8-10 (olympic). The techniques there also differ slightly.
And there are other partitionings of the population too that restrict in who can participate in a competition. You have world championships, but you also have nationals. And regional competitions. And junior leagues. And school competitions.
Then there is also the paralympics.
You can find all that reasonable or ridiculous, but I'm not sure how that's related to doping.
I used to cheat on chess.com. It started as a small bit of cheating here and there, just checking every now and then if the move I was going to make was the best. Of course, the computer always had a better move and then I examine the line and told myself I probably would have thought of that! Like a drug, it escalated and I was checking moves all the time. I was never caught but I was ashamed and just stopped playin…
The one sure way to find / detect players with cheats was... to use the same cheats. It saved my sanity but cost me the joy of playing.
I now can't play FPS's anymore but am limited to MMO's :(
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> Every athlete takes performance enhancing substances. No. I was one and I didn't. And I knew a lot of athletes. I know how most of them were thinking. What you said is simply not true.
Sorry, i=I don't mean this in a demeaning manner, were you an elite athlete competing in olympics, playing in NBA or premier league? When people say every athlete takes PEDs, it's usually athletes at the very top of their game. And yes, when there are millions or billions (if you're Cristiano Ronaldo or Lebron James) of dollars at stake, athlete's will take any advantage possible. Do I think every professional athlet…
In fact, less commercialized sports are much more interesting to watch and participate because they are not just full of over-hyped over-payed over-celebritized evening-entertainment shows designed to milk the audience of most money possible.
If "athlete" ends for you at what's on pay TV and on ads at bus stops, sure. But that's a very limited view of sports. And quite sad, frankly.
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I had just reached an international level, but I was never at the olympic level. But a whole group I trained with for a time all became professionals, and some of them competed in the olympics. I knew them then before they got there, and I knew their level and their attitudes, and I saw nothing in their professional performances indicating that they had at any point moved into doping. How sure can one be? Never total…
That's all really great, but it's possible (even likely) that they progressed because they doped and you didn't progress because you didn't. It's simply physiologically impossible to accomplish what these athletes are doing without assistance.
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I had just reached an international level, but I was never at the olympic level. But a whole group I trained with for a time all became professionals, and some of them competed in the olympics. I knew them then before they got there, and I knew their level and their attitudes, and I saw nothing in their professional performances indicating that they had at any point moved into doping. How sure can one be? Never total…
That's all really great, but it's possible (even likely) that they progressed because they doped and you didn't progress because you didn't. It's simply physiologically impossible to accomplish what these athletes are doing without assistance.
Just like arguing "well we only lost the election cause the other side cheated."
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I know for a fact that 3 isn't even used on national-cup event in France, at least for sailing, canoe and kayak events. Or rather, that the club and physical preparators from this club advise against anything other than supplements, and even the French Kayak champion (Joly) only take a few of those, only 1/3rd of a year.
>sailing, canoe and kayak events How much money is behind those sports? Hint...NOT much. We Talk about Cycling, Athletics, Football and so on.. >I know for a fact that 3 isn't even used on national-cup event in France No you don't. BTW: I knew for a Fact that Lance Armstrong was the biggest Cycle Pro ever born and he would never need doping because he was just in another league then anyone else. EDIT: Would you look…
> How much money is behind those sports? Hint...NOT much. We Talk about Cycling, Athletics, Football and so on..
No, the parent talked about:
> basically every elite athlete is doping.
That's just not true. Unless you have a totally twisted understanding of what an athlete is.
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> Every athlete takes performance enhancing substances. No. I was one and I didn't. And I knew a lot of athletes. I know how most of them were thinking. What you said is simply not true.
Another question worth asking: did any of the athletes you knew take PEDs at any time in their past, but stopped once they approached a level where getting caught would mean the end of their career?
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It's hilarious you think this after such blatant scandals in cycling coming out. If you ever competed at a high level or spent enough time researching commonly available drugs and how testing is conducted it becomes obvious of what's really happening. This isn't even mentioning people with large budgets who have completely undetectable designer ones
The person you are replying to isn't saying that he thinks this assumption is wrong , just that it is sad.
There's a studying showing people who remain sedentary whilst taking test gain more muscle mass than someone who frequents the gym 3 times a week.