seems like they could have at least considered bitcoin mining and negotiated for subsidized energy contracts
Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin
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#162Man I can’t wait for the Netflix movie about this. What should the title be?
"Fox in the cheesehouse"? While you wait, American Factory is a pretty good documentary about a Chinese auto glass manufacturer trying to set up a stateside plant in an area that aggressively courted them.
With the minor difference being that the glass factory actually makes things.
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#163Earlier quoted context omitted.
I fundamentally disagree with this, but on different grounds. I absolutely believe that groups of people have fewer rights than individual people. A corporation should have no right against self-incrimination, for instance. An LLC should have no right for freedom of religion. Groups are, by definition, not a monolith, and defending the rights of the group often infringes on the rights of the individual. Extending ind…
Nothing like the very egalitarian principle that says, "One rich man can advocate for his interests, but 100 poor men may not pool their resources to advocate for theirs."
Just like the very egalitarian principle that says, "One rich man can advocate for his interests by himself and by the work of 100 poor man"
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#164Earlier quoted context omitted.
a church is not a person, it cannot believe in anything. how does a church pray? how does it make a confession? do not antropomorphize companies, it does not compute at all.
I agree that the church itself doesn't have freedom of religion. But for the members of the church to have freedom of religion they need to be able to exercise their freedom as an organized group. The end result is the same: the government is limited in what restrictions it can place on the group, because to restrict the group is to restrict the members.
I don't understand your argument. The church members individually have the right to practice their religion however they want so long as it doesn't impinge on others' rights or laws. The group aspect really doesn't come into play at all. In the same way, those same individuals can contribute as individuals to whatever cause they choose. The problem is when resources get pooled and an organization rather than its individuals decides where to allocate those resources politically. That's where the parent comment thinks the line should be drawn.
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Corporations don’t have speech interests. The majority’s opinion in Citizens United is premised upon the assertion that they do.
If a state passed a law that corporations may not put a kosher or halal marking on foods they sell, would you find that law constitutional? (Certainly it's not interfering with the corporation's freedom of religion interests, is it? Corporations don't practice religion!) The problem here is that there's no simple or intuitive description of the solution we want besides "The right to free speech does not extend to the…
Can corporations put “kosher” markings on food that is not kosher? Isn’t that already a limit on free speech?
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#166Earlier quoted context omitted.
Corporations don’t have speech interests. The majority’s opinion in Citizens United is premised upon the assertion that they do.
Sure they do. Corporations are owned by people, and those people have speech interests. If corporations didn’t have the right to free speech then a group of people campaigning for a politics cause would suddenly lose their right to free speech if they formed a corporation to simplify the activities, such as the joint handling of money or purchasing of ads.
> a group of people campaigning for a politics cause would suddenly lose their right to free speech if they formed a corporation to simplify the activities
This doesn't make any sense. Every person in the group retains their free speech rights and can exercise them however they want, it's only the non-human "person" entity in the form of the corporation that would be limited.
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#167Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a state passed a law that corporations may not put a kosher or halal marking on foods they sell, would you find that law constitutional? (Certainly it's not interfering with the corporation's freedom of religion interests, is it? Corporations don't practice religion!) The problem here is that there's no simple or intuitive description of the solution we want besides "The right to free speech does not extend to the…
> If a state passed a law that corporations may not put a kosher or halal marking on foods they sell, would you find that law constitutional? No, but not for the company, but for the harm that would cause harm to practitioners of their respective religions.
But the companies are under no obligation to include this information. If they are legally forbidden from including it, how does it become a violation of my rights as a practitioner when it is not a violation for them to just not bother?
Though maybe bringing in religion makes this distracting... Do you think a state government may permissibly make a law banning the sale of transgender flags? You're still free to make your own or even sell them as individuals.
Or maybe more directly to Citizen's United - can the government ban all non-indie films that negatively depict the military? Individuals have a free speech right to make whatever films they want, but do corporations?
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#168Were any subsidies actually paid? My understanding is that Foxconn was ultimately not eligible for any actual credits given how their plans had changed: https://madison.com/wsj/news/local/govt-and-politics/state-t... And if that's true then didn't the state subsidy system work exactly as intended? NY's Amazon subsidies were designed very well. They provided tax credits for the incremental progress Amazon made on the…
We're down about 1 billion at the moment. A $750 million dollar loan that the people of Mt Pleasant took out for "improvements". In addition to about two or three hundred million spent on things like highway construction, wastewater infrastructure, stuff like that. My own hope is that we walk away from the table. You have to know when to fold a bad hand.
Oh, I forgot the best part. Even though the people of Mt Pleasant unilaterally decided to take out the loan for 3/4 of a billion dollars, the now former governor Scott Walker guaranteed that taxpayers from the rest of the state would pay the loan off. So Mt Pleasant got 3/4 of a billion in what is effectively free money, because people in Green Bay and Superior are obliged to pay it back, not them.
We got a new governor, but he's been prevented from unwinding the loan guarantee by the state legislature that stripped the governorship of pretty much all powers before he could take office.
The corruption in Wisconsin runs deep. We can't catch a break up here. So remember, no matter how bad you think things are in Florida, or Texas, or New Jersey with respect to corruption, you could always be worse off. You could live in Wisconsin.
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#169This was a nice absurdist short story that gave me a peek into the life of giant corporations with idiotic management. This is what happens with zero accountability.
Re: Foxconn’s empty buildings, empty factories, and empty promises in Wisconsin
#170Earlier quoted context omitted.
If a state passed a law that corporations may not put a kosher or halal marking on foods they sell, would you find that law constitutional? (Certainly it's not interfering with the corporation's freedom of religion interests, is it? Corporations don't practice religion!) The problem here is that there's no simple or intuitive description of the solution we want besides "The right to free speech does not extend to the…
Can corporations put “kosher” markings on food that is not kosher? Isn’t that already a limit on free speech?
I think the answer is that if it's misleading/deceptive they can't under trade practices laws, and yes, I'd certainly call that a restriction on free speech, but it's one that applies equally to individuals and corporations.