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Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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It doesn't seem right that heavily VC dependent companies have dumped more than 200 million USD into pushing prop 22[1]. I mean, they're questionably profitable and spending 0.2 giga-dollars on lobbying just this prop?

[1] https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_22,_App-Based...

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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We should fight for a system where people can actually be paid enough to live from ONE JOB. (This solves all kinds of other problems, like freeing up time so people can finally live more relaxed lives and invest in themselves, including in their own health.) Yet we live in a society where multiple jobs are often required just to survive. And in that scenario, it is strange to require “your employer” to give you benef…

What do you mean one healthcare plan is "wasted"? If you are offered a healthcare plan by several employers you just enroll in one and that's it. You waive the other ones. Your premium is paid partly with one salary, and your other salary is untouched. Where is the waste?

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

> exempt all drivers from getting basic benefits like health insurance I've yet to hear a solid argument for why something as personal & private as health insurance should be decided by my employer. Expanding this to gig workers (who typically work multiple jobs) seems like madness to me. I would be far more interested in seeing California lead the country in designing a better model than attempting to shoe horn cont…

Well, the elephant in the room is the status of health insurance as a non-taxable benefit. If you removed that rule or made all healthcare tax-deductible, you'd de-couple health insurance and employment... But insurers like this system because they get the kinds of clients they like, and the government doesn't want to expand the tax exemption because it would cost them revenue.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

It seems to me like this would have been the perfect opportunity to become the first state to decouple benefits from employment. Recognize that gig jobs are going to become more of a thing in various ways, and set up state sponsored benefit plans for gig workers. Start a mini UBI that covers 4 weeks PTO at the median California wage, open up medicaid eligibility, etc. If the problem is these people don't have benefit…

Who will pay into a system like that?

Part of the deal for Uber, Lyft, etc is to push off expenses into others. Auto maintenance and repairs is another example.

Changing the system doesn’t deal with the funding. Uber, Lyft, and others are trying to not be in the funding loop for this.

Or, should other companies subsidize funding this for people who work for the gigs?

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

Drivers deserve to be able to make their own choices about what work they want to do. Yes on 22!

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

It is really disgusting how Silicon Valley has embraced the tactic of holding other people's livelihoods hostage while they try to make a few percent more profit. Epic is doing the same thing with the Unreal Engine code. They deliberately violated Apple TOS knowing it would get the account banned, and then they try to leverage all those other developers who are going to lose iOS support against the big bad Apple who…

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Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

> 1. exempt all drivers from getting basic benefits like health insurance > or else > 2. we're turning off our apps in California If you create a law that makes it unprofitable for a company to operate, are you really surprised that the company stops operating?

The company always has the option to lower wages, or raise prices on their product.

It would, of course, mean that their law-compliant competitors would eat their marketshare.

They are trying to tell us with a straight face, that a taxi-in-an-app business is impossible to operate under Prop 22. This is, of course, completely untrue.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

How is this madness? You can’t compel a business to operate in your state. A game of chicken, perhaps.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

The sheer dollar amount of contribution comparing support (~10 mil) vs opposition (~$184 mil) shows how much power imbalance exists between workers vs. corporations. The drivers are the essential part of their business so those who work full-time should be entitled to get benefits. Period. Source(s): https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_22,_App-Based...

The drivers want 22. Overwhelmingly. Let them work!

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

Isn't it primarily the state's responsibility to come up with a reasonable solution? California has nearly unlimited power in this situation, so it's not much of a negotiation.

Uber and lyft have one tool left: ask the people to override the assembly. If rideshare is more popular than no rideshare, it'll pass.

If you want a more nuanced solution, well, California had a chance to offer one. I don't see it.

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