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Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by paulmd »

acadien wrote: post #3

I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

It is really disgusting how Silicon Valley has embraced the tactic of holding other people's livelihoods hostage while they try to make a few percent more profit.

Epic is doing the same thing with the Unreal Engine code. They deliberately violated Apple TOS knowing it would get the account banned, and then they try to leverage all those other developers who are going to lose iOS support against the big bad Apple who is taking away your livelihood, all so they can establish their own store and make a higher percentage of the revenue from the sales other people's work (to be clear: they already make money from the sales of games based on Unreal, they just want to make more).

It's not just Uber, it's part of a broader trend tech companies adopting this tactic. It's seriously disgusting, this is the lowest thing to come out of the Silicon Valley techbros in a long time.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by jameson »

acadien wrote: post #3

I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

The sheer dollar amount of contribution comparing support (~10 mil) vs opposition (~$184 mil) shows how much power imbalance exists between workers vs. corporations.

The drivers are the essential part of their business so those who work full-time should be entitled to get benefits. Period.

Source(s): https://ballotpedia.org/California_Proposition_22,_App-Based...

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

#13

Post by roflchoppa3 »

paulmd wrote: post #11
acadien wrote: post #3

I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

It is really disgusting how Silicon Valley has embraced the tactic of holding other people's livelihoods hostage while they try to make a few percent more profit. Epic is doing the same thing with the Unreal Engine code. They deliberately violated Apple TOS knowing it would get the account banned, and then they try to leverage all those other developers who are going to lose iOS support against the big bad Apple who…

im already no on 22, where did you get the 2% higher profit figure from?

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

#14

Post by jimmies »

I am just an user of Uber (not a driver) and Uber has been showing shit like this on my phone.

https://i.ibb.co/7yQLdY6/7865-CBAD-6928-4637-958-C-011736362...

I haven't used the app for a year or so.

This is fucking ridiculous. I have uninstalled Uber and I will also recommend all my friends to do the same.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by ivalm »

Doing some more exploration on this. Apparently until you click “yes” it would spam you. And if you did click “yes” then your riders would get a message when they take a ride that you support prop 22.

https://twitter.com/unicorn__voice/status/131753631910332825...

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by pugworthy »

I have no opinion Prop 22, but readers should be sure to read the subsequent tweets.

The message has been changed, but more importantly the popups weren't actually set to pop up every time the driver picked up a ride. Instead, they were set to pop up when they went offline.

As a subsequent tweet says, "However, drivers switch between Uber, Lyft and other apps. That means they go offline all the time. That is why drivers were constantly having to click yes or okay."

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

#18

Post by mmanfrin »

acadien wrote: post #3

I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

And they include language in the bill that it can't be overturned except by a 7/8ths majority which would make it functionally immune to being overturned, ever.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by lacker »

acadien wrote: post #3

I am so against prop22 it pains me so here I am ranting on the internet. What's going on is a negotiation between the state and these companies that are able to take advantage of a gap in how insurance and other benefits work. Instead of actively negotiating with the state, Uber/Lyft/Doordash and many others have simply asked to maintain the status quo, screw the drivers, just business as usual. Drivers do not get be…

Instead of actively negotiating with the state

It isn’t normal for a company to negotiate with the government to figure out how much it pays its employees! If you want rules like minimum wage or mandatory health insurance for all, by all means make those rules and apply them to everyone. But there are so many exceptions to AB5, it’s clear that it isn’t a rule designed to apply fairly to the whole economy, it’s only designed to hit a particular list of companies that one political faction doesn’t like.

Re: Uber: “Yes on Prop 22” popups shown to drivers

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Post by paulmd »

roflchoppa3 wrote: post #13
paulmd wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is really disgusting how Silicon Valley has embraced the tactic of holding other people's livelihoods hostage while they try to make a few percent more profit. Epic is doing the same thing with the Unreal Engine code. They deliberately violated Apple TOS knowing it would get the account banned, and then they try to leverage all those other developers who are going to lose iOS support against the big bad Apple who…

im already no on 22, where did you get the 2% higher profit figure from?

Not referring to Uber specifically, or a specific dollar figure, just the general tactic of "if you don't give in to our demands then we'll shut down and really screw all the people who rely on us!". Which is what Uber and Epic are doing.

They didn't go under when they had to start doing background checks in Austin. They don't go under when they have to pay benefits in Germany. This is a stunt to make another couple percent profit.

At the end of the day that's what this boils down to - they will make a little more money if they succeed, they will make a little less money if they don't, nobody is going under. They're using people's livelihoods as leverage so that they can make a couple percent more profit.

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