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You can't even play online then
I mean, ethernet cables exist.
then you can cheat with an ethernet cable as well...
Chess’s Cheating Crisis
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#222Earlier quoted context omitted.
How are protein shakes and such 'stuff' at all approaching performance enhancing chemicals? Performance enhancing chemicals make the body do things it wouldn't normally do, directly modifying behavior to be different than it could be without that substance. Protein shakes are just providing nutrients so the body can make full use of exercise. Giving the body a nutrient rich liquid food is very different from a drug.…
You do realize that transfusion of your own blood, even with zero 3rd party chemicals, is also doping? But it only provides nutrients too, or to be more precise concentrated result of those nutrients.
Blood doping increases red blood cell count and compensates for physiological changes which happen during an event like the Tour de France, it's disingenuous to call it nutrients.
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#223Earlier quoted context omitted.
>I personally know some Olympic finalists in some sports, and they certainly don't see big money MONEY BEHIND...that's something else. And the Athletes don't pay for the Stuff, AND it's not in every sport and not every sport profits from doping.
I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS. So, you agree with me then? My friend was in the finals in Beijing and in London, top-6. In London half a second from a medal. Yes doping would help immensely but those guys have too much honor to do this. No, there is no money behind. He gets sponsoring in form of a boat which is sponsored by the manufacturer. The rest of his life's expens…
>I replied to "basically every elite athlete is doping." That's definitely BS
True in Curling i never heard of doping. And trust me even your friend would not told you if he takes doping (no saying he did).
And again not every Sport profits from Doping and not everyone takes them but lots and lots of them do, and having a blind eye because of profit is the unfair thing for the honest and sportsmanship'ish peoples.
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#224it might be a naive approach. I just ignore that cheating even happens. I assume everyone is not a cheater. If for some reason they are a cheater, i believe they will just get discovered after a while or it will be their internal satisfaction loss. I don't pour my heart into the game, it's just a fun distraction.
But I feel for the more serious players, the paranoia must be so annoying.
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#225I have a good friend who plays obsessively on chess.com who's taken a "come as it may" attitude to cheating. I wonder if there's a better, more restricted, version of chess.com that minimizes cheating.
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#226Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yup. It's absolutely possible to determine whether you play versus a strength reduced/weak engine or a human. Humans make human plans and play according to human best practices, which you can find in chess literature. Engines, however, do not make long term plans and often play very inhuman (perfectly precise, unobvious tactical) moves, that often suprises even on grandmaster level.
I'm not sure if saying engines don't make long term plans is accurate, since we can set them to plan an arbitrary number of moves ahead. I think you mean that they don't have a theory of mind, and thus don't modulate their play based on their opponents.
No, he means abstract plans. Abstract plan is not exact sequence of moves, but rather general idea of where you want to be in far future.
It could be modulated based on opponent, but does not have to be.
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#227Is a computer AI cheating when it does a table look up or whatever?
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#228I used to cheat on chess.com. It started as a small bit of cheating here and there, just checking every now and then if the move I was going to make was the best. Of course, the computer always had a better move and then I examine the line and told myself I probably would have thought of that! Like a drug, it escalated and I was checking moves all the time. I was never caught but I was ashamed and just stopped playin…
I cheated on Lichess--once. Story: I got paired with someone rated 400 points higher than me (no idea why). The dude was destroying me, but somewhere in the middlegame, he let his guard down and exposed himself to a mate-in-one. For once in my life, I saw the mate and I won. The dude was FURIOUS. He immediately asked for a rematch and I said I had to go. Then the insults came ("chicken shit", etc.). He even messaged…
>But yeah, regular cheating just kind of takes the joy out of the competition.
Well, as the saying goes, "if you can't beat 'em, join 'em."
Maybe we should just move over to computer-assisted human chess and compete that way?
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Part of it from my layman's perspective is that today, even home exercising frequently involves protein shakes. As you go into even basic body building or training, you start taking more and more "Stuff". There's no clear obvious intuitive big line between "natural talent and hard work" and "illegal chemical cheating". Reading the details of the tests involved a few years ago made me believe the line we draw is thin,…
everybody will have SOME naturally or legally allowed amount of tested substance; etc. Which means that I cannot get excited that ANYbody at olympic level is doing it "on their own, unassisted, natural", for whatever definition of above we take. But at that level, everyone is operating under the same rules. That's just the nature of competition, no? People will take any edge they can while following the letter of the…
"But at that level, everyone is operating under the same rules"
No they are not. In reality it means, the athlete with the better chemist behind him, meaning the one with the not yet traceble substance, will win.
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#230Earlier quoted context omitted.
Part of it from my layman's perspective is that today, even home exercising frequently involves protein shakes. As you go into even basic body building or training, you start taking more and more "Stuff". There's no clear obvious intuitive big line between "natural talent and hard work" and "illegal chemical cheating". Reading the details of the tests involved a few years ago made me believe the line we draw is thin,…
everybody will have SOME naturally or legally allowed amount of tested substance; etc. Which means that I cannot get excited that ANYbody at olympic level is doing it "on their own, unassisted, natural", for whatever definition of above we take. But at that level, everyone is operating under the same rules. That's just the nature of competition, no? People will take any edge they can while following the letter of the…
I worked a swimming pool decades ago, and saw parents giving their pre-teen kids some drugs like Guronsan (https://www.drugs.com/international/guronsan.html) before swimming competition. It might be legal, but it was sending the wrong signal to those kids. That a pill could give them a boost or an edge.