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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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One dollar spent in Russia gets you more than in US. You cannot compare household income directly, you must go through PPP (purchase power parity). Even then, you might have expenses that they don't (medical, for example). So in the end, objective comparison would have to go much deeper, than median household income.

There are only so many turnips you can eat but Apple's Stand is $1000 everywhere.

Not every developer needs Apple stands to become successful or build successful companies.

A second hand thinkpad could do the job if money is tight.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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People in Germany do not pay 50% taxes, not even close.

Not everybody, no. I pay 42%. If one pays agewerbesteuer, it’s around 49% total.

No, you don't, not unless your income is about half a million EUR.

42% is the marginal tax rate (and 45% above 250k). The effective tax rate only exceeds 30% above ca. 71k EUR.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #167

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People in Germany do not pay 50% taxes, not even close.

You can easily pay ~42% (yes, contributions included) and still not be considered rich.

The specific number of 42% sounds like you're talking about taxes, but it's the second-to-maximum marginal tax rate, not the effective tax rate (which is below 30% for the vast majority of people). If you include social contributions, you can go above 50% - but those are things which benefit yourself quite directly, most notably health insurance. Which gives you the benefit of not being one medical emergency away from bankruptcy as so many people are in the USA.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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What kind of shit company culture do people have where you need threats to implement a simple, clear-cut technical decision?

Struggling to think of a culture that leads to excellent results as consistently as Amazon

Apart from results (for whom?) being not the only thing to judge a compan culture for, I am pretty damn sure that Amazon does not, in fact, rely primarily on constant explicit threats of firing people to make people just fucking do what their boss tells them to do.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Well, the median household income there is less than one-fourth of the US, with the concomitant lower standard of living you'd expect.

One dollar spent in Russia gets you more than in US. You cannot compare household income directly, you must go through PPP (purchase power parity). Even then, you might have expenses that they don't (medical, for example). So in the end, objective comparison would have to go much deeper, than median household income.

Don't forget while the rest of the world(non US-EU) nations have to do back breaking work to produce products, the euro dollar system can just print and buy those products and life beyond their means. That's the power of having the world reserve currency system.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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> They ended up building it for 150k, with 250k more to operate it until the end of next year. Do you have any source for that? If true that is indeed impressive, but I am sceptical, given that your claim that "Half the population downloaded it" seems to be extremely exaggerated ( https://qz.com/1898960/whats-behind-finlands-contact-tracing... ) One way in which the German app was clearly superior is that it was rele…

Costs, use Google Translate: https://www.mtvuutiset.fi/artikkeli/koronavilkkuun-on-varatt... Share of population that downloaded it - Your article only talk about the first 24 hours . See for instance this article that says 1.8 milloin a month and a half ago: https://mobiili.fi/2020/09/08/koronavilkun-lataukset-yli-18-... That's beginning to be half of the relevant population in a country of 6 million, when you take…

> Costs, use Google Translate:

Which tells me that the claim "They ended up building it for 150k, with 250k more to operate it until the end of next year." is complete bullshit as a comparison for the German numbers, because it is only for the app itself without any backend or supporting infrastructure. Especially because you made it sound as if the rest of the 6 Million budget was not even used.

In reality, on top of the app development they spend 400k on planning, specification and coordination, 3.2 Million on other software (backend and admin, I suppose), 1.4 Million for deployment(?) and communications, and further maintenance and operations is not in fact accounted for yet.

> hat's beginning to be half of the relevant population in a country of 6 million, when you take out kids and people in old folks' homes.

Ah, nice moving goalposts there.

Yes, it's a very successful project and everyone involved deserves praise. Yes, Finland spent less than Germany for very similar results.

But they didn't spend 400k (let alone 150k) compared to 60 Million. They spent 4 Million compared to 20 Million, which is the overall development costs in Germany, with most of the rest going to the operation of a support call center (and that scales with population size, so legitimately more than 10 times higher in Germany than in Finland).

So why the 5 times higher development costs in Germany? Because they didn't do a public bid like Finland did. They threw money at some big companies they assumed could do it. And for that they got an app 6 weeks earlier than Finland. It turns out that those 6 weeks happened to be a time of low case numbers so that they didn't really matter. But that couldn't be known at the time the whole thing was planned, and if the pandemic had developed differently, those 16 million could have saved thousands of lives.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Well, the median household income there is less than one-fourth of the US, with the concomitant lower standard of living you'd expect.

One dollar spent in Russia gets you more than in US. You cannot compare household income directly, you must go through PPP (purchase power parity). Even then, you might have expenses that they don't (medical, for example). So in the end, objective comparison would have to go much deeper, than median household income.

That is wrong. I have lived in both US and Russia. Some things are cheaper, but, overall, life is more expensive in Russia due to sheer inefficiency. For example, you usually pay nothing for delivery of online purchases in the US, but it's a minimum of $5 in Russia, and you should often sit all day at home waiting for the courier with the package. Taxes on labor are higher. Sales tax is 20% in Russia, so all merchandise is more expensive. Cars are much more expensive, and even the gas is more expensive.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

One dollar spent in Russia gets you more than in US. You cannot compare household income directly, you must go through PPP (purchase power parity). Even then, you might have expenses that they don't (medical, for example). So in the end, objective comparison would have to go much deeper, than median household income.

It doesn’t even make sense to compare economy in general. Russian economy didn’t grow during last 10 years, but there was significant growth in digital services with big investment in new technology and infrastructure. The government failed in many policies, but digitalization was their real success.

Nah, try to lose your paper internal passport. Your life will become very difficult. For any medical service, a paper "SNILS" and a paper "OMS" are required too.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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What kind of shit company culture do people have where you need threats to implement a simple, clear-cut technical decision?

All. I worked with many top tier companies and policy adherence is null without reinforcement; this is the reality, without motivation everyone ignores policies and decisions.

There are many other forms of motivation and reinforcement other than explicit threats of firing pople, and most of them are less aggravating. In fact I very much doubt Amazon actually does that constantly, and I also doubt that it was the key reinforcement in this specific case, even if it wasn't simply an exaggeration.

Refusing to do what you're told will in fact get you fired in most European companies as well. I actually witnessed that happening not too long ago. So what's even the argument here?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Whenever I think of the EU I can't think of a single tech giant from there, countries that come to mind for me are the US, China, Japan and Taiwan. The only things I know about the EU when it comes to tech is it trying to push massive global regulations around tech. For reference I'm a 23 year old from the US. Nothing I have is made in Europe and I don't deal with any EU companies. Even my bike computer was made by a…

Using an iPhone, or (soon) Mac, That will have ARM and PowerVR Tech. ( Of course ignoring ownership ).

You know what every single Modern ( Not just leading edge ) manufacture have as bottle neck? EUV / TwinScan from ASML in Netherland. ( Or you could include the Trio ASM, ASML, and BESI )

You know 60%+ of Fortune Global 2000 will be using the same ( dreaded ) thing for their Supply Chain Management ( And possibly ERP and CRM ). Its called SAP. I remember a year ago someone on HN said they never heard of SAP, well if you are only working in Software Tech side of things you wont heard of it. But just like Excel it is pretty much everywhere in non tech, large size enterprise.

Spotify

If you count Qualcomm as tech, then every mobile network in the world would have either ( or Both ) Nokia and Ericsson behind them.

Those are just few on top of my head. I am sure there are plenty more.

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