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Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

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Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

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There's a better way to do it.. Trees can be planted in deserts without irrigation using technology developed by a Dutch company called Groasis [0]. They have also recently come up with a new version of their Waterboxx that can use any kind of wastewater to plant trees, even sea water. [1] Looks like it works via solar condensation which then wicks into the soil so the roots can follow it down to the deeper capillary…

You'd have to constantly refill it, which would still require irrigation for transport.

Instead of centralized distillation plus transport, you have distributed mini distillers at point of consumption plus transport. This doesn't seem special, what am I missing?

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

#82
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not sure if this way is better. After some in-depth searching, I find the key piece in this solution is a "wick", a capillary rising water tube that takes water (of any quality) and feeds it into the ground.

You missed the part about only needing to fill it once.

I don't follow this

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

#83
post #3

Less than 500 acres planted using sewege water from cities. The rest (planting millions of acres of forest) is just a wishlist and the article is short on details.

Israel already gets the majority of its water, including for irrigation, from desalination.[1] They achieve this through a combination of conserving and recycling water as well as very targeted irrigation of crops, along with new technology such as the Sorek desal plant. The second generation may be up and running by 2023 [2]. There's an interesting paper [3] about building 40,000 Sorek style plants to sequester exce…

> One big technical problem is what to do with the brine

Cant it be dumped back into the ocean at points where it can re-salinate?

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

#84
post #39

There's a better way to do it.. Trees can be planted in deserts without irrigation using technology developed by a Dutch company called Groasis [0]. They have also recently come up with a new version of their Waterboxx that can use any kind of wastewater to plant trees, even sea water. [1] Looks like it works via solar condensation which then wicks into the soil so the roots can follow it down to the deeper capillary…

I'm a layman in this area, but doesn't the Land Life Company (also a Dutch company) [1] use similar technology?

[1] https://landlifecompany.com/technology/

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel already gets the majority of its water, including for irrigation, from desalination.[1] They achieve this through a combination of conserving and recycling water as well as very targeted irrigation of crops, along with new technology such as the Sorek desal plant. The second generation may be up and running by 2023 [2]. There's an interesting paper [3] about building 40,000 Sorek style plants to sequester exce…

Evaporate the brine and sell it as artisanal sea salts?

FIY; if you evaporate sea water you don't get sea salt, you get a shitty tasting mix of various compounds, trash, microorganisms etc.

You can use the brine to get NaCl but it's not just boiling it up.

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

#86
post #7

My idea would be to flood lower than sea level deserts with ocean water and then start a mangrove forest. (They thrive in salt water) Of course the evaporation might raise the salinity above what they could handle. Perhaps a monthly flush out somehow?

In Egypt you already have long stretches of the Indian Ocean coast without mangrove or any other vegetation. But the problem with mangroves is that these grow more or less in a belt between tropics (~ See also: https://www.mdpi.com/2071-1050/10/3/646/htm

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

#87
post #3

Less than 500 acres planted using sewege water from cities. The rest (planting millions of acres of forest) is just a wishlist and the article is short on details.

This is typical in Egypt. There are or have been dozens of “plans” —- most of them half-baked, to develop parts of the desert to reduce densification and centralization in Cairo. When I lived there, the joke was always about how these developers (in cahoots with the military oligarchs) would source the water for these adventures. In practice, it makes no sense. Egypt is approaching critical water vulnerability.

As they try to develop out in to the desert, most of the projects have nothing to say about this critical resource. These developments are therefore totally unsustainable as it requires constantly importing water by truck, building enormous infrastructure from the Nile or desalination facilities plus the transport infrastructure. Even then the cost to actually change the soil composition from desert to anything less arid have absurd water costs, to say nothing of what happens when these theoretical cities have to start providing for demands of the expected hundreds of thousands or millions people.

To make matters worse, development around the city continues, and the prime agricultural lands, where water use is most efficient per calorie grown, has all but disappeared.

In Egypt, like so many other places, but especially in Africa, are increasingly vulnerable to compound effects of man-made and climate change crises. Books have been written on the corruption, but the combined effects with climate are truly frightening to contemplate.

Whatever transpires there after the proverbial well runs dry is going to make the January Revolution look like child’s play.

Re: Egypt has managed to plant trees in the desert using wastewater

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Israel already gets the majority of its water, including for irrigation, from desalination.[1] They achieve this through a combination of conserving and recycling water as well as very targeted irrigation of crops, along with new technology such as the Sorek desal plant. The second generation may be up and running by 2023 [2]. There's an interesting paper [3] about building 40,000 Sorek style plants to sequester exce…

Evaporate the brine and sell it as artisanal sea salts?

Yes. Call it "Sierra Nevada sea salt," just as how "Himalayan sea salt" mostly comes from Pakistan. That is, after you evaporate it down to solids.
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