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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by libertine »

tupputuppu wrote: post #255
libertine wrote: post #158

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>You just can't buy innovation. You have to set up the right environment for it When US companies come to EU to buy companies, they are literally buying innovation.

They are buying customers, and will typically fade out the European IPRs in lieu of American. The innovations are most of the time American, they're just buying companies to speed up the scaling.

>They are buying customers

What? No they're not.

They're buying everything: customers, IP, tech, you name it. And you can see that by a simple Google search.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by whb07 »

alexgmcm wrote: post #205
sneak wrote: post #123

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NeoFeznet asked: > why is that? Is it the regulatory environment? fcantournet: > If anything it's the (insanely lax and pro-monopoly) American regulatory environment that has the biggest impact on the creation of big Cloud providers outside of the U.S. I don't think you can say the problem there is America's lack of regulation preventing European cloud providers (which was what the question was about) from starting.…

I think he means there is little to no protectionism in Europe when it comes to software - so we get 'digitally colonised' by the USA. Whereas China and Russia have stricter rules about what foreign corporations can do, so there that allows for the creation of homegrown solutions like Baidu - would Baidu exist today if Google was able to run their services without interference in China since the start?

That reasoning is one of the reasons EU is in its current state.

You will never get a Ronaldo/Jordan caliber player without exposing them to the best players from an early stage.

Protectionism works well until they face a real challenger and then wonder why their usual tactics and products all seem to fall short.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

bserge wrote: post #284
LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #271

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I'm not sure about that. It seems to work for refurbished computers, which are end of lease. For general appliances I doubt it, because not energy efficient enough, liability, warranty and so on. Of course common sense would say refurbishing is better for the environment, but common sense? EU? Anyways, I wish you luck/success.

Computers are actually the more competitive electronics. Probably because they're easy to acquire, refurbish and transport. Refurbished home appliances like washers/fridges/dryers/dishwashers/ovens are a good product to sell, there are lots of small shops that buy dozens or hundreds of them for resale, and of course, lots of individuals furnishing their own place. Energy efficiency for them is not going up anytime so…

I know that. I'm using an old and big fridge from Privileg (Duo Cold). I thought of 'tuning' it with a microcontroller, but deemed it unnecesary after logging temperature and power use at different settings for a few days. Only impractical thing is the needed deicing after about half a year. But then I can at least clean and disinfect it thouroughly.

Which I btw. got for free from the streetside, it was just standing there with other stuff, probably houshold clearing. Saw it on my way home, checked it out, was clean. Looked OK. Went home, got my foldable sack barrow and a few rubber straps from my bicycle, went back there and had a nice upgrade to my even older, but much smaller and louder fridge. Which I then rolled to the communal recycling center a block away :)

STRIKE!

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Post by malka »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #168
jclos wrote: post #66

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> if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.

The only people who like gdpr and cookie banners are lawyers and agencies who can charge some money for that

Citation neeeded.

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Post by andi999 »

ChuckNorris89 wrote: post #286
read_if_gay_ wrote: post #243

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I agree that the waste of taxpayer money in Germany is beyond comprehension (while they do take utmost care when it comes to taxing you) and as a young German myself I also agree that many young people just don't question the media, if they get involved in politics at all. But I also know many who do and they've mostly just given up on the country. Because emigration aside, what are you going to do?

>Because emigration aside, what are you going to do? Maybe vote the corrupt leeches out?

I had a discussion recently, and I think generally in Germany politicians are considered incompetent instead of corrupt. Like in cross border leasing/ public private partnership etc.

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Post by antonf »

tupputuppu wrote: post #235
nemothekid wrote: post #148

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>* You make it sound like all that is needed to develop (as tachyonbeam pointed out) European equivalents to "Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc" is to shut down access from anywhere in Europe to and from these companies.* This isn’t far fetched - it’s a well understood result of Chinas Great Firewall. With American companies banned in China, Chinese companies were free to copy…

China is the one example where they've been able to fill the gap. All other markets have failed miserably. And even in China the goal wasn't to create better alternatives (which based on UX or privacy the 100% are not) but for the communist party to be able to control and suppress free speech.

> All other markets have failed miserably.

In Russia Yandex (search engine) and VKontakte (social network) were and still are quite successful (Google and Facebook were never banned, unlike China). And they were not created to control and/or suppress free speech (at least originally: Putin didn't care what happens in the Internet until around 2014, and it was free from censorship).

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Post by nix23 »

durnygbur wrote: post #193
DangitBobby wrote: post #186

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I think they're claiming that it's important to have a real, credible, well communicated threat of consequences for not following the mandate.

No one would bother, because: 1. In Europe salaries are not worth personal sacrifices 2. No compay aims for IPO, few are public Maybe, if you'd hire only desperate people from Spain, Italy, Poland, Greece, and Romania, AND they all had a mortgage... then squeeze like this would work.

>In Europe salaries are not worth personal sacrifices

That's exactly it!!

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Post by nix23 »

durnygbur wrote: post #107

Let me guess, SAP and Deutsche Telekom will grab the funding? It will be the most expensive and unreliable "cloud services" with arrogant customer service and 24 months contracts.

>Deutsche Telekom

Hehe, the most expansive one is the direct copper to vm (DCtV) with unlimited Volume ;))

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

imtringued wrote: post #241
88840-8855 wrote: post #63

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... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation. Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.

Not everyone shops on amazon but everyone would have to install a government mandated app. You're overgeneralizing every human.

What if I have no app-capable smart and mobile device? Does the government provide me with one? Do I get an electronic ankle bracelet instead? What about a collar?
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