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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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I don't think I would ever point to Russian markets as an example of how well things can work.

What do you know about them?

Well, the median household income there is less than one-fourth of the US, with the concomitant lower standard of living you'd expect.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #61

I feel a lot of anger in this thread, and I share your frustration. Is there anything we can do about this jokers? I feel that the EU is very toxic in the way it tries to make us all work together. Maybe things like FIWARE are, I don't know what is FIWARE? https://www.fiware.org

These projects must be doing something. In the end there are people coming over to work, and well... working on them... another example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_Brain_Project

One thing is certain - they are bloody expensive.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #167

Another hard earned €10B gonna go down the drain. It's pathetic that people in Germany and other countries have to pay 50% taxes for BS like this.

People in Germany do not pay 50% taxes, not even close.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_tax_reven...

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #18

BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.

Hetzner user here, it's still very barebone compared to US cloud providers (but amazing pricing). No IAM, no EKS, it's mainly a VPS provider just like OVH. Scaleway looked closer to an AWS competitor but I haven't used it enough to know how good it is.

I run a couple of things on Scaleway. It works very well and looks very similar to Digital Ocean. Great UX for the console application and chap prices. But like Hetzner only a basic service.

Maybe we could create EU cloud catalog website for people to find all the providers that actually already exist (in Sweden the company Glesys is a similar provider).

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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several people still remember the Stasi and they don't want a state controlled app to monitor their movement. If you want your app to have the biggest installation base (without asking for a mandatory installation) you can't ask for user location, with it enabled fewer people will install it

... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation. Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.

My family was directly affected by Stasi. I care about what the government knows and what it can do to you. I constantly have 2-3 low risk exposure notifications.

But it doesn't matter where they happened since I already know that I am carefully avoiding risky areas. I am sitting next to my window when working and people walk past that window within 2 meters. That alone could set off exposure notifications. Or maybe someone across the aisle in the supermarket?

Would I not go to the supermarket if I know it happened there? Would I not go for a walk if I knew someone 8 meters away from me on some bench was later diagnosed with COVID?

It barely serves any purpose at all outside of curiosity. The app already tells you everything you need to know.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Excellent example with the app. It's an app that could have been designed and made with 100k, less people and better quality. And quicker. The current app is a nightmare. It shows that i had already 2 low risk encounters - but it doesn't show me when and where! I NEED this info to adapt my behavior! very bad app.

You're talking out of your ass. Literally everyone who knows anything calls the German app a huge success, especially compared with similar efforts.

In Finland, the authorities reserved 6M to create a contact tracing app and all support systems. They ended up building it for 150k, with 250k more to operate it until the end of next year.

Half the population downloaded it in the first days and it works great. It's completely privacy-focused and the UX is great for both individuals as well as the government.

Is the German tracking solution really 400 times as complex? Based on either citizens' adoption or UX, is it anywhere near as successful?

Built by a small, Agile company, although not by a startup by any classification.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Would investors want to risk investing in a anti-tech part of the world who will blame them for everything? The EU is populist in trying to blame tech companies for all of society's ills.

Agreed, its nicer doing business in a country where you can fraudulently cause global economic meltdown and go on unscathed.

I mut have missed this global economic meltdown you speak of, which was caused by GAFA?

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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post #36

There has been a similar project developed in Poland already. ( https://en.media.pkobp.pl/78483-strategic-partnership-betwee... ) In practice it's not much more than government-branded version of Google Cloud Platform and Microsoft Azure. So far it serves well as a marketing vehicle for a handful of the biggest corporations, but it's barely used by anyone. I can see it could make sense as a solution to some particula…

So they're reselling Google Cloud services? Subsidized by our tax money?
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