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EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by fulafel »

topbanana wrote: post #17

Ridiculous. You just can't buy innovation. You have to set up the right environment for it

There's a long and rich history of government funding R&D in Europe and it's pretty well known what it works for.

(And innovations in the conventional definition, meaning incremental refinements of technological solutions, pretty much trickle out every time you pay r&d to work on something)

I'm betting this will (among other things) result in open source work on stuff like CEPH, OpenStack, etc.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by ThinkBeat »

bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

I wonder if the existence of such giant monopolies is more of a symptom or result of a non-functioning capitalist system.

The world, at least the western world, desperately needs viable mature competition not based in the US.

I would go so far as to say not having it is a real problem for democracy and maybe even go as far as it being an issue of national security.

With the close ties between intelligence services and social media in the US, it is a problem for the US, but certaily more outside. However it is a challenge to avoid 5 eyes.

Less conspiracies, two rich and powerful persons in the US can decide what information is permissible in an election and what is not.

This would not matter much, if there were at least 10 different healthy competitors with at least a few million users.

Hopefully being more distributed also internationally, it would be unlikely that each leader would make the same decisions.

Like newspapers, they can suppress a story, but another newspaper might go with it.

Sadly in the US, the mass death of newspapers often means that a region / city /state might only have one newspaper in a monopoly situation.

I do not know if the state injecting billions can get to where we need to be.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by krsdcbl »

bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

As a european as well, I'm well afraid you're being absolutely right on this.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by x87678r »

worldmerge wrote: post #42

Whenever I think of the EU I can't think of a single tech giant from there, countries that come to mind for me are the US, China, Japan and Taiwan. The only things I know about the EU when it comes to tech is it trying to push massive global regulations around tech. For reference I'm a 23 year old from the US. Nothing I have is made in Europe and I don't deal with any EU companies. Even my bike computer was made by a…

I use Transferwise and Soundcloud all the time. In games CD Projekt makes the Witcher series. GTA started in Britain. Rovio & Supercell are Finnish. ARM is huge but is being bought by Americans too.

There is a lot of faded glory. Nokia and Ericsson really kicked off the cell phone revolution and are still big in infrastructure. Skype. Linux of course was started in Europe, CERN started the www too.

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

pydry wrote: post #94
ivan_gammel wrote: post #88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TB approach with „national champions“ can work too and may work better in a situation where there’s competitive market with few dominant players with unlimited resources. Look at Russia: they have achieved very high digitalization of government and society on locally built infrastructure. There are some state actors involved, e.g. Rostech, but large private companies did the majority of work, quite often not being di…

I don't think I would ever point to Russian markets as an example of how well things can work.

even a broken clock is right twice a day

Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by Vespasian »

dalbasal wrote: post #54
bsaul wrote: post #6

As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…

Is this even supposed to produce large companies? With the language used here, it could be anything.

If I understand it correctly this project aims to build common standards / data exchange methods between different providers all on a foundation that follows European privacy principles.

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Post by rewq4321 »

mechnesium wrote: post #106
rewq4321 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not how discussions work on HN. 4chan might be a better place for you to hang out.

Yes we’ve all heard it before. It “strictly lowers the signal to noise ratio. We are trying to do something different here.” No, this goal is not helping. This makes HN just like every other shithole online that censors its users. It makes the conversations inorganic and inauthentic. Ad hominems, while in poor taste, are protected by freedom of speech, and armchair expert white knights like yourself are only contribu…

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I don't think that you can argue that you're being politically oppressed on HN because of rules like this. You're free to articulate your opinions (political or otherwise), and in fact these rules are designed to help you do that - even if your opinion is an unpopular one.

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Re: EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US

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Post by Vespasian »

petre wrote: post #65
juskrey wrote: post #18

BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.

Scaleway and OVH are also great if you have clients or audience in the EU. Hetzner is just a reseller of others' infra but it's also nice. Kind of annoying how they ask for your ID and issue randomly generated login names, but the platform is good.

They have their own data centers don't they?
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