I feel a lot of anger in this thread, and I share your frustration. Is there anything we can do about this jokers?
I feel that the EU is very toxic in the way it tries to make us all work together. Maybe things like FIWARE are, I don't know what is FIWARE?
EU shoots for €10B ‘industrial cloud’ to rival US
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#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
With just the difference that in Germany that app works, in Italy the correct infrastructure/process was not built, sick data information was never uploaded so the app is useless
how do you know the app is working? because we value privacy SO much, we don't even know if the app has ANY effect - taking all the anecdotes aside.
There were plenty of cases where in app notifications lead to people getting tested and in touch with their local tracing efforts. You don't need privacy invading levels of analytics to measure that. With the low numbers we had over the past months exactly what else do you expect?
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if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... ma…
several people still remember the Stasi and they don't want a state controlled app to monitor their movement. If you want your app to have the biggest installation base (without asking for a mandatory installation) you can't ask for user location, with it enabled fewer people will install it
... the same people that shop on amazon, use "payback" (a shopping monitoring system), post crap on facebook and enjoy google's personalisation.
Please, mate, this is just populism what you are doing there.
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Would investors want to risk investing in a anti-tech part of the world who will blame them for everything? The EU is populist in trying to blame tech companies for all of society's ills.
Now this is a claim you'll need to substantiate!
Do I need to going into the whole blameing tech for "fake news" while the media spreads it themselves?
Who wants to invest in what will be scapegoat for law makers to cry at?
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#65BTW Hetzner is a top notch EU cloud with an excellent proposal to finally learn Linux and deploy whatever you want on their industrial grade networking and storage. Instead of feeding an exploding complexities and costs of AWS, Google and Alibaba. I hope they will come to other continents soon.
Scaleway and OVH are also great if you have clients or audience in the EU. Hetzner is just a reseller of others' infra but it's also nice. Kind of annoying how they ask for your ID and issue randomly generated login names, but the platform is good.
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the app doesn't store location information by design for privacy reasons
if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature. people die. the economy is suffering. millions lose jobs. still, some guys making 140k in their it engineering jobs working from home and relaxing are telling me sth about "data privacy as priority". i disagree. people disagree. Taiwan did a FANTASTIC job leveraging data. we are either not capable of that or just fanatic.... ma…
> if you ask normal people, they will hate this - only some data fanatics want this feature.
Show the evidence. Wanting data privacy is far from the fringe minority sentiment you imply it to be, otherwise GDPR wouldn't be so popular.
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#67I see that the EU is wasting money in the same corrupt way the UK is right now with Deloitte and other consultancies.
Let’s face it - our politicians are bought and paid for and local tech companies want to skim from the gravy train.
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#68As a european, i still think those kind of measures are trying to cure the symptoms by throwing huge pile of cash, rather that fix the core issue : that the private sector in europe is currently unable to produce GAFA-sized companies in the IT sector. My intuition is that once again the money will be grabbed by existing big companies that proved unable to innovate, but are the best at capturing public fundings. EDIT…
I guess whether you consider them symptoms depends on what you think the problem is. Is the problem that we don't have GAFA-sized companies, or is the problem that data is not stored under EU jurisdiction?
That question is particularly pertinent if you consider that GAFA-sized can mean "big enough to influence legislation".
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#69Whenever I think of the EU I can't think of a single tech giant from there, countries that come to mind for me are the US, China, Japan and Taiwan. The only things I know about the EU when it comes to tech is it trying to push massive global regulations around tech. For reference I'm a 23 year old from the US. Nothing I have is made in Europe and I don't deal with any EU companies. Even my bike computer was made by a…
I think SAP would qualify as a tech giant. Not very visible to consumers, but throw a stone at some large organization (state, university, corporate) and you have a decent chance there’s a SAP footprint in their processes.
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yes. i do want that. i do not like American products at all. i would love to see alternatives that actually work and are competitive.
You want your access to Google, Duckduckgo, YouTube, Uber, Facebook, Dropbox, Amazon, Netflix, etc to be blocked?
Yes. I want that.
This would lead to a local tech scene, actually REALLY localised products (where you dont have to wait till google decides to roll out features in Germany after 7 years) and best of all: JOBS. This would lead to millions of jobs. It would make Europe super interesting for high skilled labor and bring a nice twist into the migration problem we are facing now.
Yes, this would hurt America, but yeah... who cares? They are not paying taxes anyway.
And look at China. Look at their amazing apps and services they have there. We have NOTHING here. It is time to do the right thing and to say bye to American companies. We can make our own companies.