The US was putting people in cages before the pandemic. The level of the pandemic in the US is an effect of decreased democracy and respect for human rights--not a cause.
The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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Brazil and Turkey come to my mind.
why Brazil? The Democracy there works fine. There was a change in the power, which brought new dynamics to the Country, but IMO their democracy are eroding much less than in US, France and Germany Disclaimer: I'm German/Brazilian who lived 10 years in US.
Bolsonaro endorsed the protests of a far right movement that literally wants to "return to military rule under Bolsonaro"
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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Societies with largely rational, educated populace are weathering COVID just fine, wrt. democracy and respect for human rights.
You literally can't go 5km from your house in Australia. How exactly is that "fine wrt respect for human rights"? More people have died in a few months from Covid in the US than the entire 5 years of WWI Again, how is that just plain old dandy and nothing to think about?
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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why Brazil? The Democracy there works fine. There was a change in the power, which brought new dynamics to the Country, but IMO their democracy are eroding much less than in US, France and Germany Disclaimer: I'm German/Brazilian who lived 10 years in US.
That must be a joke. Bolsonaro endorsed the protests of a far right movement that literally wants to "return to military rule under Bolsonaro"
Please, add reference for that.
The democracy is working as usual in Brazil, nothing changed. No rights was taken away from the people and no riots or civil conflicts are worse than before. Look America, France and Germany where the social fabric is partially destroyed.
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
#75Earlier quoted context omitted.
You literally can't go 5km from your house in Australia. How exactly is that "fine wrt respect for human rights"? More people have died in a few months from Covid in the US than the entire 5 years of WWI Again, how is that just plain old dandy and nothing to think about?
> You literally can't go 5km from your house I live in Rome, near the Colosseum, I never travel 5km from home, unless I have to. Being stuck in the traffic jam in your car is not a nice experience. EDIT: maybe I should add as a disclaimer that the post tone wasn't obvious. it came out bad. My fault. As someone else said after me, lockdown in Italy meant "stay home, don't leave your neighborhood" I couldn't even go to…
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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Can we have a break from the thought-terminating cliches that abound on HN? Just like Pavlov's dogs: mention the word or phrase and the subject salivates. To suggest that medical expertise as such has a decided opinion on the covid crisis is merely to show that you haven't read the literature but have taken the line that more closely aligns with your political agenda. Reality is rather more complex as indicated by ht…
That doesn't disprove that Trump, Bolsonaro, Johnson and Erdoğan are far right populist who fucked up. On the contrary, it proves that US handled the crisis badly, worse than many other countries less developed and less rich. Of course Belgium, with 11 million citizens (less than NY) and a population density of 385/km2 (USA is at 36) and headquarter of European political institutions had it worse NY city death rate i…
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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Most wealthy countries are weathering corona quite decently, with woman-led countries being in the lead (e.g. NZ, Germany). The most notable exceptions are the US, Brazil, UK and Turkey - these four countries have one thing in common: far-right populist "strongmen" in power who are unable to find a line between the demands of medical/epidemiological expertise and their self interests.
The reality is, most people are going to get the 'rona. Germany for example; they didn't get it as much last spring; they're getting it now. NZ, same thing's going to happen, unless they develop North Korea style immigration policies or 12 monkeys style lifestyle. They're better off in general because they have healthier populations than, say, the US or the UK, but putting it off isn't going to work forever. I don't…
That are lives saved. The more knowledge we have about the disease the easier is to treat it. Also, that measure has extended the lives of all the people that would have died months ago.
Gaining time has a lot of value.
> Sweden did; they're doing fine, and are basically over with it
No. A second wave is starting in Sweden. And, the father of a colleague died of Covid19, that is not "doing fine".
Sweden has had mixed results because has applied non-strong measures. Most companies are working remotely and there are strong safety nets for people to stay home if they feel sick. Even with that, it has been far from perfect, and it is far from over.
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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That must be a joke. Bolsonaro endorsed the protests of a far right movement that literally wants to "return to military rule under Bolsonaro"
> Bolsonaro endorsed the protests of a far right movement that literally > wants to "return to military rule under Bolsonaro Please, add reference for that. The democracy is working as usual in Brazil, nothing changed. No rights was taken away from the people and no riots or civil conflicts are worse than before. Look America, France and Germany where the social fabric is partially destroyed.
You don't know that he "ordered the country’s armed forces to commemorate the anniversary of the 1964 coup which brought the military to power."?
You don't know about his interference with justice and when Moro presented testimony about it Bolsonaro tweeted that he was "a traitor, a Juda"?
You don't know that "As Bolsonaro’s relationship with legislators and the courts has cooled, he has become increasingly dependent on a cadre of advisers in his government who are active or former military"?
You don't know that in a Facebook live he said “We have the armed forces at the people’s side: the side of order, democracy, liberty,”?
You really don't know any of this?
Tell me. if you can, when in France or Germany the President attended a far right rally where they hoped to return to the nazi period...
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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why Brazil? The Democracy there works fine. There was a change in the power, which brought new dynamics to the Country, but IMO their democracy are eroding much less than in US, France and Germany Disclaimer: I'm German/Brazilian who lived 10 years in US.
That must be a joke. Bolsonaro endorsed the protests of a far right movement that literally wants to "return to military rule under Bolsonaro"
Re: The pandemic has eroded democracy and respect for human rights
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QE for 2008 recession will pale in comparison with QE for the pandemic. Luckily for us everyone else that matters (that is, who's not New Zealand) is equally fucked, so it's not entirely a losing proposition, but for someone of moderate means and with an income/savings that do not track the stock market these are perilous times indeed. Whatever cash or cash equivalent savings they had are turning into a pumpkin withi…
Not entirely. Any fixed rate loans such as the mortgages or student loans that people hold today will be much easier to pay when inflation soars. So go ahead, secure new loans, bundle home and auto and pay as slowly as possible until 25-50% inflation kicks in.