What’s up with the massive regression in web browsing performance vs Ice Lake? I was under the impression that Tiger Lake was a very similar architecture, but with much higher clocks.
Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
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Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#62I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…
Buy a thinkpad. Dell’s build quality and support are atrocious compared to Lenovo.
Lenovo doesn’t hold a candle to Apple still but Dell is still bottom barrel. Have you ever tried calling Dell to get something fixed? Good luck!
Thinkpads are tanks and with Lenovo they either fix a hardware issue by having you send it to them or you can request a customer replaceable part and fix it yourself.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#63I'll buy one of these. Not because of the CPU -- despite of that. Ryzen would be great but there's no thin&light Ryzen laptop with great screen and great build. Not sure why. However, apart from the performance disadvantage (that's not extremely serious), the 9310 is a great package overall (or at least I can't find anything more compelling on the market with good battery life, good screen, good docking story (TB), g…
I’d wait for the X1 nano. Same thing but better quality.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#64I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…
You don't buy a dell without the four year "come to my house and fix it" service contract. Basically you can get a dell for $1000 and it will fall apart or you can buy the same machine for $1400 and it wont, and if it does, they show up the next day and fix it or replace it. I sometimes wonder if they actually do quality binning or have a different production line. But basically a Dell costs $400 more than you think. And they are fantastic, in my experience.
I was in the UK on business when my keyboard broke, and the next day a chap showed up with a UK keyboard. When I pointed out it was a US keyboard. Didn't bat an eye, just walked back out to his van and came back with a US one.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#65I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…
Buy a thinkpad. Dell’s build quality and support are atrocious compared to Lenovo. Lenovo doesn’t hold a candle to Apple still but Dell is still bottom barrel. Have you ever tried calling Dell to get something fixed? Good luck! Thinkpads are tanks and with Lenovo they either fix a hardware issue by having you send it to them or you can request a customer replaceable part and fix it yourself.
The problem is Lenovo machines look and feel like PCs, and that's not a complement. I got the XPS specifically for the trackpad, its the only one around that I know of that handles any way remotely like a MacBook's.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
The fragility of Dell's consumer laptops is why I continue to buy Lenovo's which are less sleek but have better durability and run Linux just fine. In recent memory I've had an X1 Carbon and X1 Carbon Extreme Gen 1 and been very satisfied.
Lenovo parts availability is a huge plus over Dell as well. Second hand or repair parts are hard to find for them.
Lenovo are also way better at warranty. In my experience they just asked for the serial number of the ThinkPad, it was still covered and they accepted it (and fixed it). It was an used laptop.
Dell OTOH asked for the original receipt of purchase, that of course I didn't have because that also was an used laptop.
Also, the latitude series is way better than the xps line. I've got the latitude 7390 from dell and it's just marvelous.
So yeah, if you're buying new, dell or Lenovo ThinkPad (I'd recommend a ThinkPad though).
If you're buying second hand, ThinkPad is the way.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#67I moved to XPS 15 as my first non-Mac machine in over 10 years, and I must say I'm far from impressed by the build quality. These laptops are gorgeous new, but they are SO fragile. One of the screen hinges is broken, I've replaced numerous keys, the keyboard is now developing some debounce/key registration issue all over the right-hand side, the speakers are both blown (left first then the right), the trackpad sits 0…
Buy a thinkpad. Dell’s build quality and support are atrocious compared to Lenovo. Lenovo doesn’t hold a candle to Apple still but Dell is still bottom barrel. Have you ever tried calling Dell to get something fixed? Good luck! Thinkpads are tanks and with Lenovo they either fix a hardware issue by having you send it to them or you can request a customer replaceable part and fix it yourself.
In fairness, most people just ignored the latitude line from dell and just focus on the xps line. I wouldn't trade my latitude 7390 for an xps 13, honestly.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#68what is exciting about Tiger Lake IMO is the memory tagging feature (ARM has it already) which can mitigate ROP attacks. It was announced here: https://newsroom.intel.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/11/2020/... memory tagging is like a hardware based ASAN that eliminates many memory bugs and improves memory debugging. So its potential is well beyond mitigating ROP (though all these benchmarks will change with memory tag…
Tiger Lake does not have memory tagging. That capability was announced at Architecture Day by Martin Dixon to land in some unspecified future processor.
Tiger Lake has Control-flow Enforcement Technology, which allows the compiler to tag proper targets of control-flow changes.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
My experience is total opposite. I had horrible hardware experience with MacBook Pro. Battery being blown up, broken hinges, keyboard skipping... My XPS has been working amazingly fine. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Same, XPS 15 9570 (2 years old I believe). It's almost as good as new. A little electrical whining when charging and putting the ear against it, but that's since day one. I've kept a cloth in between the screen and keyboard, kept everything clean just by rubbing a cloth a few times.
FWIW my late 2013, 15" MacBook Pro seems to me just as good as new. Never had to replace the battery or have any kind of service done on it at all.
I kind of want to buy a new model but this thing just keeps going so I have no legitimate reason to do so. Honestly, I really love the machine. The fact that I'll get at least eight years out of it, as I did from my last MBP, means I'll definitely buy another MacBook Pro.
Re: Intel Core I7 1165G7 “Tiger Lake” Linux Performance with Dell XPS 13 9310
#70I own two XPS developer edition laptops. The second one is up for an upgrade and the CPU is the one thing that is its weakest spot (Kaby Lake in my case), often on its limit when using Zoom for example and runs hot. But I think that with such minor upgrades of the CPU, I will tell bye to Dell. This is the advantage of good competition. I still wonder if Dell would push a model with Zen in the next say 6 months before…
I am going with XPS as well. Honestly I couldn't find a better laptop at the time with features that are important to me, but even so it is still a nightmare to use. It runs hot, can't play HD videos on YT (Google doesn't support hardware decoding in Chrome) and I couldn't get NVidia drivers to work properly. I am going to buy a laptop with AMD cpu next year. I hope that if more people do it Dell will finally drop In…
I picked up one of the XPS 17" laptops. The screen is just gorgeous. If you go Centos on it, be prepared to do battle with the killer nic. (argh)