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Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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Re: Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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post #6

They crossed a long time ago! They should have worked like phone lines, just a medium

I don't think it would work that well. Phone conversations are private and so there won't be much pressure to crack down on hateful or false conversations. Social media is very public. I'd say it's closer to radio than telephone.

Radio carriers are liable for their content so in this situation same difference.

Re: Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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No matter who wins in November, both the FB and Twitter will face massive regulatory scrutiny and they won't come out the same from that process.

As a side note, I became aware of Glenn Greenwald after the Snowden affair and I have been following his writings ever since. He is one of the sharpest minds in journalism today and is also one of the most objective journalists I've come across. In the past 4 years journalism has become extremely polarized and it's next to impossible for many of them to remain objective. As soon as one declares their opinion on something, they're skewered by the side opposing the issue. Somehow, Glenn has managed to remain largely objective.

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post #3

The idea that Facebook and Twitter have to censor content sometimes, but then need to be some protector of free speech in others, and apply this across the board in some magically apolitical way is ridiculous. Censoring speech in inherently political Surprise surprise, the political party who gets to censor more content in their favor supports it and the political party who gets more of their content censored takes t…

I don't even think you could call censoring lies actually censorship. Not in the moral sense of how we are opposed to 'censorship'.

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post #8

The first amendment right to free speech doesn't compel any company (whether publicly traded stock or privately owned) to give you a free publishing platform.

Not true. Telephone utilities are generally publicly traded but it would be a free speech issue if they were to censor on their platforms.

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I don't think that this article is very honest in the other lurking factor: Russian hackers.

The NYT reported that US intelligence officials picked up on conversations that there was to be an October surprise [0] that was designed to throw a monkey wrench in the US election.

It would be straight up dangerous to society if the false narrative created by a Russian disinfo was allowed to spread, and in that sense, the containment makes more sense. You might not have to agree with it completely, but you can't say that this is merely big tech partisanship. Glenn Greenwald doesn't even bother to mention this probability and simply paints it as big tech simply favoring one side, when there is clearly more to the issue.

[0] https://www.nytimes.com/2020/10/14/us/politics/hunter-biden-...

Re: Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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post #4

This Biden story was unlikely to cost him the election. But censoring it is going to be prime fuel for the right leading into the election and is a much bigger story than what was censored. This was a stupendously naive move.

Spin is trying to show the blocking of the fake news article as something Biden was a part of. Obviously, Biden himself had no say or knowledge of the ridiculous article being blocked.

Also, this articles headline is inaccurate. Facebook and Twitter are private organizations and have a right to not allow certain things without it being censorship. Restaurants can keep out people known to defecate on the floors, Twitter and Facebook can stop By post garbage.

Censorship by nature is something a government does, not a private entity. Wikipedia doesn't censor articles, it just edits stuff.

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post #8

The first amendment right to free speech doesn't compel any company (whether publicly traded stock or privately owned) to give you a free publishing platform.

Did you even read the article? It clearly notes that the First Amendment doesn't apply to private companies. The article is about censorship, not about the First Amendment.

Re: Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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post #6

They crossed a long time ago! They should have worked like phone lines, just a medium

I don't think it would work that well. Phone conversations are private and so there won't be much pressure to crack down on hateful or false conversations. Social media is very public. I'd say it's closer to radio than telephone.

Social media is very public.

This is part of the "mistake" of the social media companies. Rather than emphasizing cohesive friend groups, they (particularly Facebook) defaulted everything to be as widely visible as possible.

Re: Facebook and Twitter Cross a Line in Censorship

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post #6

They crossed a long time ago! They should have worked like phone lines, just a medium

I don't think it would work that well. Phone conversations are private and so there won't be much pressure to crack down on hateful or false conversations. Social media is very public. I'd say it's closer to radio than telephone.

Should radio be state-controlled?

For me, democracy has 4 pillars that must be independent, and currently are not is most countries: executive, legislative, judicial and media. The 4th one is controversial but nonetheless necessary for the country to be a democracy.

Democracy without equal speech time for all parties isn’t a democracy – it is like Singapore, a single-party democracy.

Finally, we must have a population who is educated enough to read ambiant news and distinguish false from truth. If you say that is impossible, you advocate for the people’s decision being taken by a central organization, aka not people’s decision. Educating people enough is entirely possible; For example people are routinely exposed to scam and a rule of life is never to fall down into scam. Only a few % of pop fall for it and it is fine. Democracy is based on the same people. You precisely shouldn’t prevent people from being exposed to fake news, otherwise they become ultra gullible (which may be what you want, in the end...).

All in all, what leftists call fake news or debunked news are often... falsely debunked, by journalists who try to present alternative facts, which the people are getting tired of. It’s ok, we understand they don’t want to lose grip of the leadership.

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